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bober2 11-05-2007 04:37 PM

10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
How should this be bet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($1.80)
Hero ($16)
UTG ($13.15)
UTG+1 ($12.45)
MP1 ($9.60)
MP2 ($6.15)
MP3 ($12.70)
CO ($8.30)
Button ($10.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.40.

Flop: ($1.05) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.85</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $1.7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5.65</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $12.2</font>, Hero calls $6.55.

Turn: ($25.45) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($25.45) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $25.45

r2me 11-05-2007 04:46 PM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
fist pump when villan flips over TPTK/TPGK.

johnnydrama 11-05-2007 04:48 PM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
Looks right to me. You call this raise OOP hoping for this flop. Looks like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to me. Get it in, move pointer to rebuy button, and hope.

Have to reraise his min raise so all the money is going in at some point.

TheBad 11-05-2007 05:01 PM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
Nice hand. You really lost it ?

Chargers In 07 11-05-2007 05:04 PM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
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JereLock 11-06-2007 01:18 AM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
grunch

imo: I fold pp's lower than 9s to a raise pf (excluding minraise on bb, usually), especially oop. I'm fine with the rest. Flop bet I would have made pot sized

bober2 11-06-2007 06:03 AM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
yes - he had AA

JH1 11-06-2007 06:12 AM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
Meh, you can't worry about set over set, nh. If you can get it in on the flop that's all you can do.

CallCallCall 11-06-2007 07:23 AM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
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grunch

imo: I fold pp's lower than 9s to a raise pf (excluding minraise on bb, usually), especially oop.

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What's your thinking behind this?

JH1 11-06-2007 08:19 AM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
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grunch

imo: I fold pp's lower than 9s to a raise pf (excluding minraise on bb, usually), especially oop.

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What's your thinking behind this?

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I would like to know as well. I've been playing 22-88 for set value if I'm getting 15:1 implied or more, then set or fold most of the time OOP.

Chunky 11-06-2007 10:57 AM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
Did you have any stats on the villain?

JereLock 11-06-2007 02:46 PM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
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grunch

imo: I fold pp's lower than 9s to a raise pf (excluding minraise on bb, usually), especially oop.

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What's your thinking behind this?

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I would like to know as well. I've been playing 22-88 for set value if I'm getting 15:1 implied or more, then set or fold most of the time OOP.

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I limp pp's ep and low pp's mp and rarely call a pfr of 5bb b/c to me it's always been spew when 1/8 times you don't hit flop anyway.
Thinking on this? Might be a leak I need plugged

JH1 11-06-2007 04:56 PM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
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grunch

imo: I fold pp's lower than 9s to a raise pf (excluding minraise on bb, usually), especially oop.

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What's your thinking behind this?

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I would like to know as well. I've been playing 22-88 for set value if I'm getting 15:1 implied or more, then set or fold most of the time OOP.

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I limp pp's ep and low pp's mp and rarely call a pfr of 5bb b/c to me it's always been spew when 1/8 times you don't hit flop anyway.
Thinking on this? Might be a leak I need plugged

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I pretty much open-raise any PP in MP-LP. In EP I will usually fold 22-66/77 because I am not comfortable calling a reraise with those. But 88+ I'm still raising UTG and still just for set value for 88-TT. I know that I'm going to miss nearly every time, but those times that I hit I am going to get paid off pretty good due to implied odds.

At 10NL a 3bet is fairly rare as well and you can narrow villain's range WAY down. If I'm going to limp call a 4BB raise with 77, why not make that bet myself - this gives me momentum, disguises my hand, builds a pot for a potential big hand, and clears out garbage hands in the blinds in case no one else raises.

Edit: Sorry for the hijack, OP

JH1 11-06-2007 05:00 PM

Re: 10NL - 77 hits lower set on flop; 3 bets flop, but is raised
 
I should add as well, if I'm playing against you and you limp call a raise, I'm much more likely to put you on a set when you reraise on the flop or turn.


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