First hand in a HU match
 

Obviously, I could post this in the Heads Up forum, but I'm not. This is literally our first hand at the table and he is completely unknown to me (no data mined stats, etc).

All converters I know about are being bad / slow / not working.

SHOOTAA has 5 seconds left to act
SHOOTAA posts the small blind of $3
Villain posts the big blind of $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHOOTAA [7s 5c]
SHOOTAA raises to $18
Villain calls $12
*** FLOP *** [6d 7c 3d]
Villain checks
SHOOTAA bets $28
Villain calls $28
*** TURN *** [6d 7c 3d] [8h]
Villain bets $80
SHOOTAA calls $80
*** RIVER *** [6d 7c 3d 8h] [As]
Villain bets $200
SHOOTAA has 15 seconds left to act
SHOOTAA has requested TIME

Thoughts? Please don't just say call or fold, I would like you to explicate a hand range you put him on by the turn and river bets. Fwiw, the river 200 was bet quickly, if this effects your decision.

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Hands you beat that I think are in his range are like K5d 65/64/69/35/random bluff calling here looks thin.

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and add 44/55

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fold

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Did villain have a big stack? 100bb? Fold barring something else... if he's bluffing you will be be broke soon.

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Did villain have a big stack? 100bb? Fold barring something else... if he's bluffing you will be be broke soon.

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What?

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How many bb does villain have?
I vote fold.
If he is bluffing you will have his stack soon.

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I'm just having a very tough time putting him on a hand, it would literally have to be 87, which i think very rarely calls OOP preflop and plays the flop/turn this way, or an AdXd hand that plays the hand this way (no raising as semi-bluff), and quickly value bets the river.

Can anyone name a hand(s) he has that beat us? I may be giving him too much credit for being a decent HU player who knows that there are all small cards out there and that 15 outters are good, but CMON!

edit: T9 is about the only hand I can come up with.

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How many bb does villain have?
I vote fold.
If he is bluffing you will have his stack soon.

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The EV of future hands shouldn't affect the EV of calling/folding in this one. Right?

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How many bb does villain have?
I vote fold.
If he is bluffing you will have his stack soon.

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The EV of future hands shouldn't affect the EV of calling/folding in this one. Right?

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It definitely can, but I don't think this is one of those spots as its a fairly substantial pot, and I would like to win it for that reason... which I cannot do by folding.

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i think you are beat. missed nutflushdraw (Ace high) 2 pair A6 etc is likely holdings he will be betting river for value with. you dont know anything about him. save the money for a real hand

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It looks like a kind of strange line, fits 66, 33, 87, T9. This looks like a legit hand, even if it were a busted flush draw what diamond cards are left that wouldn't hit this board. He could be bluffing KT or something sometimes sure, but eh. I'd fold it 1st hand

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With no reads I'd fold quickly.

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Yeah I would fold pretty quickly, if only for the reason that very few people seem capable of carrying out multi-street bluffs on the first hand of a HU match.

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There are a million hands he would do this with that you don't beat.

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Yeah I would fold pretty quickly, if only for the reason that very few people seem capable of carrying out multi-street bluffs on the first hand of a HU match.

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fold. hand range not necessary bc he cannot peel this flop, the board come out like this, and you not be beat...

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raise or fold, dont call, you're like never ahead here.

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There are a million hands he would do this with that you don't beat.

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Re: First hand in a HU match
 

since you know nothing about him, his hand range is huge.

also, if he wins a big pot on the first hand that could change the whole dynamic of the match--so if you're just guessing, that's another reason to fold.

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Meh, I called and he has 22, for some nonsense line. I think maybe later in a match its better to try to look someone up here, if at all. First hand dynamics are crazy things though, people.

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Still a pretty easy fold imo

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what about... now?

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Yes. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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can someone explain why it's really unlikely he's bluffing here, i don't get it. Our hand is pretty face up.