Finding Chips On The Floor
 

Let's say I'm playing poker in a casino, and I pull back my chair to readjust and notice a $100 chip lying on the floor a little bit under the table. This denomination of chip is much higher than would be used for the game in which I'm sitting. From the casino's perspective, am I entitled to pick it up and put it in my pocket without saying anything?

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I would. I'm asian though.

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It's yours. This has happened to me twice. I run good in life.

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OMG IF I FIND MONEY IS IT MINE!?

Yes you take it.

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at a casino id just ask anyone around if they lost any money lately. im sure if someone did they would want it back.

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Probably depends on jurisdiction. In Nevada, anything on the floor belongs to the casino. There are tales now and then of someone finding $500 and $1000 chips and trying to cash 'em and having them confiscated once the casino figures out they came from their floor. I even read a tale of someone at a slot finding a $100 chip on the floor beside them and pocketing it and 5 minutes later security comes and takes 'em away and they're told they are henceforth persona non grata and are told to leave forever. For $100's, you'll get away with it long as surveillance doesn't happen to see it. I've never found anything bigger than $5 and I just hand it to some favorite poker dealer as a toke.

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at a casino id just ask anyone around if they lost any money lately. im sure if someone did they would want it back.

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This easily leads to a situation where they would just lie and say it's theirs. While you may have done the right thing, by asking you put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of.

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at a casino id just ask anyone around if they lost any money lately. im sure if someone did they would want it back.

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This easily leads to a situation where they would just lie and say it's theirs. While you may have done the right thing, by asking you put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of.

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Probably depends on jurisdiction. In Nevada, anything on the floor belongs to the casino. There are tales now and then of someone finding $500 and $1000 chips and trying to cash 'em and having them confiscated once the casino figures out they came from their floor. I even read a tale of someone at a slot finding a $100 chip on the floor beside them and pocketing it and 5 minutes later security comes and takes 'em away and they're told they are henceforth persona non grata and are told to leave forever. For $100's, you'll get away with it long as surveillance doesn't happen to see it. I've never found anything bigger than $5 and I just hand it to some favorite poker dealer as a toke.

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In just about every jurisdiction something on the floor belongs to the casino.

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Probably depends on jurisdiction. In Nevada, anything on the floor belongs to the casino. There are tales now and then of someone finding $500 and $1000 chips and trying to cash 'em and having them confiscated once the casino figures out they came from their floor. I even read a tale of someone at a slot finding a $100 chip on the floor beside them and pocketing it and 5 minutes later security comes and takes 'em away and they're told they are henceforth persona non grata and are told to leave forever. For $100's, you'll get away with it long as surveillance doesn't happen to see it. I've never found anything bigger than $5 and I just hand it to some favorite poker dealer as a toke.

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This may be true but in OP's case there shouldn't be anything wrong with him picking it up, putting it in his pocket and later cashing it. Poker rooms generally have less surveillance than house games like BJ, Craps, etc. and if the chip was visible and there was good surveillance someone would have spotted it earlier. I wouldn't sweat this. Now if it was a 1K or 5K chip in a poker room there might be heavier consequences - especially if OP is a low limit player who suddenly tries to cash a large denom chip.

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I would hold onto it if it was that big. I've found 1 and 5 dollar chips and just tip the dealer with 'em. Could the dealer get in trouble for accepting this?

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I once saw a quarter sitting on the poker podium in front of their monitor so they couldn't see it. I said "you have a quarter here". The reply was "We know! PLEASE TAKE IT (and don't tell anybody I said to). We keep hoping someone will just quietly pocket it so we don't have to do paperwork and nobody does."

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I was told by security folks in the slot area of a NV casino, that as long as the $ wasn't touching their machine in any way, shape, or form, it's OK to pick it up.

Don't touch bills hanging out of the bill acceptor or coins in the bins...

On that subject, how about credits in a machine with no player?

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I was told by security folks in the slot area of a NV casino, that as long as the $ wasn't touching their machine in any way, shape, or form, it's OK to pick it up.

Don't touch bills hanging out of the bill acceptor or coins in the bins...

On that subject, how about credits in a machine with no player?

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You insta bet max.

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I found $20 in the pocket of my jeans when I was doing the laundry. Can I keep it?

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Those are some of the best moments - finding money in pockets when you don't expect it.

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A busser at a restaurant found a flag at mirage and tried to cash it. He ws fired the next day.

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In just about every instance something on the table belongs to the casino.

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On that subject, how about credits in a machine with no player?

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Technically (in NV, and other jurisdictions to my knowledge), those credits still belong to the player who left them. It is my understanding that if he/she came back to claim them, whoever cashed them out or played them "stole" them from the player and could have charges pressed against them.

Doesn't make sense, I know, but that is the law. I saw it referenced once as "Theft of Lost Property". Can't find a link to the statute ATM, but it is real.

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Just last night, the floor comes up to me, with security by his side and holding a $20. He says, "You ever play Monopoly"; I think "WTF did I pass a bad bill?!"

It turns out that I had two $20s stuck together when I bought in (I still don't know what the Monopoly crack meant); this was more than a half hour later, and I don't know how they knew they were my stuck bills. So immediately threw two redbirds to the dealer, because, hey, found money.

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It turns out that I had two $20s stuck together when I bought in (I still don't know what the Monopoly crack meant); this was more than a half hour later, and I don't know how they knew they were my stuck bills. So immediately threw two redbirds to the dealer, because, hey, found money.

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It's usually pretty easy. One person will give the dealer all 20's. Next person gives the dealer a couple $100's. When the dealer gets a fill he finds an extra 20... he knows who gave it to him. I've seen that happen once (the other direction, actually...dealer gave the player too much and didn't notice it until 10 minutes later when he got a little wild-eyed finding his tray short $50--but he figured it out and the player who got too much instantly returned it).

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It turns out that I had two $20s stuck together when I bought in (I still don't know what the Monopoly crack meant); this was more than a half hour later, and I don't know how they knew they were my stuck bills. So immediately threw two redbirds to the dealer, because, hey, found money.

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It's usually pretty easy. One person will give the dealer all 20's. Next person gives the dealer a couple $100's. When the dealer gets a fill he finds an extra 20... he knows who gave it to him. I've seen that happen once (the other direction, actually...dealer gave the player too much and didn't notice it until 10 minutes later when he got a little wild-eyed finding his tray short $50--but he figured it out and the player who got too much instantly returned it).

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Any explanation as to why he didn't count it when he received it and immediately turn back in the the extra $50?

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Just last night, the floor comes up to me, with security by his side and holding a $20. He says, "You ever play Monopoly"; I think "WTF did I pass a bad bill?!"

It turns out that I had two $20s stuck together when I bought in (I still don't know what the Monopoly crack meant); this was more than a half hour later, and I don't know how they knew they were my stuck bills. So immediately threw two redbirds to the dealer, because, hey, found money.

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...I've seen that happen once (the other direction, actually...dealer gave the player too much and didn't notice it until 10 minutes later when he got a little wild-eyed finding his tray short $50--but he figured it out and the player who got too much instantly returned it).

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Any explanation as to why he didn't count it when he received it and immediately turn back in the the extra $50?

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I was kinda watching, but only barely. I THOUGHT I saw the dealer give him too much, but since I hadn't been following along very closely I wasn't sure. Just looked like the dealer mistook a $50 for a $100. But the dealer didn't spread the money out, he just stuffed it into the tray. If I'd been watching, I woulda said something, but having only glanced that way a couple times during the process I wasn't comfy asking him to recount when I had only a mild suspicion.

As for the player, I did kinda watch him to see if he would notice anything, and if he looked puzzled or something I mighta then spoken up. He really didn't seem to notice anything... he was clearly a n00b and he just grabbed the chips and stacked 'em and started paying attention to the cards. Didn't look like he intentionally kept extra, but he mighta.

When it was discovered the dealer was calling for a fill. He counted his cash. Looked odd. Counted his tray. Started looking a little sick. About that time the floor had come to do the fill and saw the dealer's ears about to pop off. He calmed him down and asked him to run through the last 20 minutes, and that's when the dealer figured out he was finding a $50 in his cash instead of the $100 he'd remembered. And that player was the only one who'd gotten change during the down. So the dealer asked the guy "did you give me a $50 or $100" and the player said "$50" and the dealer explained "I think I gave you $180 when you got change, not $130". Player looks at his stacks and sees he still has like $160 of it and agrees he couldn't have >$130 if it was done right since he hadn't won a hand since he rebought. He handed over $50 and that was that.

I was then feeling kinda bad that I didn't speak up and save the poor guy some heartache. If I'd been watching carefully...sure... But I hate correcting dealers that don't need correcting so I like to be 80% sure before I question 'em.

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A busser at a restaurant found a flag at mirage and tried to cash it. He ws fired the next day.

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what's the deal with this anyway. it seems like the casino has ultimate authority to rob almost any player they want with these rules. if you walk out of the casino with your chips then re-enter do they have the right to confiscate them? what if you're gone for a month and can't track it on video?

how's that work anyway.

what would that busboy's best strategy be for cashing that flag? enter a poker tournament with it and then unregister and receive lower denomination chips?

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leave and come back is easily the best idea. tough if you work there though

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when you cash a flag they will ask you for your players card to track your play.

At Rio they would NOT let me cash chips for my friend because I had no record of play under my name.

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Why not just buy in at a craps game with it, play a few rounds and then either leave or get it colored up to black chips only? Then you can cash the blacks without any problem.

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A busser at a restaurant found a flag at mirage and tried to cash it. He ws fired the next day.

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Doubt he made enough to care if he was able to cash the 5k.

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semi-related i suppose:

last time i was in vegas i was staying at paris. i bought in for cash of approx $1000 a few different times at various games (whether i still had chips from my previous buy in or not). i think over the course of 4 days i had bought in for about $5K. when i was ready to leave i had $6.5K in chips and they gave me a really really hard time cashing out. they called the last pit i was at - were told i bought in for 1K, left with 1.5K, yada yada, the cage starting saying they weren't going to pay me. of course i flipped out and started yelling (i have a short temper when it comes to screwing me out of money that is rightfully mine). i was screaming that its not like i won 20k or something - i bought in for 5, was cashing out for 6.5...in the end i got money of course, but it took about 45 minutes and i had to stand there and suffer the embarrasment of being treated like a criminal to get money, 85% of which was mine before i walked into the damn place.

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Any time a casino refuses to cash chips, call gaming. If you have the chips, the casino has to cash them. MGM has a reputation for not cashing chips of suspected AP blackjack players. Once gaming is called, they basically slap the casino on the hand and order them to cash the chips. If you continue to have problems, get a gaming lawyer. Bob Nesarian comes to mind.

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Any time a casino refuses to cash chips, call gaming. If you have the chips, the casino has to cash them.

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Wishful thinking as well as inaccurate.

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semi-related i suppose:

last time i was in vegas i was staying at paris. i bought in for cash of approx $1000 a few different times at various games (whether i still had chips from my previous buy in or not). i think over the course of 4 days i had bought in for about $5K. when i was ready to leave i had $6.5K in chips and they gave me a really really hard time cashing out. they called the last pit i was at - were told i bought in for 1K, left with 1.5K, yada yada, the cage starting saying they weren't going to pay me. of course i flipped out and started yelling (i have a short temper when it comes to screwing me out of money that is rightfully mine). i was screaming that its not like i won 20k or something - i bought in for 5, was cashing out for 6.5...in the end i got money of course, but it took about 45 minutes and i had to stand there and suffer the embarrasment of being treated like a criminal to get money, 85% of which was mine before i walked into the damn place.

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suppose you don't want to use a players card. suppose you want to get in a few hands of BJ before dinner and just plop your money down. suppose there has been a shift change at the last pit. suppose it was extremely busy that day and they don't remember you. are they allowed to just hassle you like that.

suppose you walk up to the cage and buy $5000 worth of chips but then change your mind about playing. 3 days later you go to cash them out and their is no record of you playing at a table game. are these scumbags allowed to steal your money?

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suppose you walk up to the cage and buy $5000 worth of chips

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This generally isn't permitted unless you are in the poker room. If you buy in over $3k they have a record of it. If you don't give them any ID they are supposed to write down a description of what you look like, so tell them where you got the chips and it shouldn't be a problem. I am not saying this is right, I am just saying if you truly bought the chips cashing them shouldn't be a problem.

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semi-related i suppose:

last time i was in vegas i was staying at paris. i bought in for cash of approx $1000 a few different times at various games (whether i still had chips from my previous buy in or not). i think over the course of 4 days i had bought in for about $5K. when i was ready to leave i had $6.5K in chips and they gave me a really really hard time cashing out. they called the last pit i was at - were told i bought in for 1K, left with 1.5K, yada yada, the cage starting saying they weren't going to pay me. of course i flipped out and started yelling (i have a short temper when it comes to screwing me out of money that is rightfully mine). i was screaming that its not like i won 20k or something - i bought in for 5, was cashing out for 6.5...in the end i got money of course, but it took about 45 minutes and i had to stand there and suffer the embarrasment of being treated like a criminal to get money, 85% of which was mine before i walked into the damn place.

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The bellagio did this to me a couple of years ago. It was very irritating to be asked for my players card and then be told that I have not been gambling enough to have the amount of chips I was cashing out. I believe it was about 4K. They called over a supervisor and everything. Once I explained that I was just paid out from a poker tournament they looked up my name on the entrants list and let me cash out (took about 15 minutes). It was very late at night and I was already pissed about just getting bounced from the tournament and I almost lost it on them.

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I would have the casino announce it on the loudspeaker so whoever lost it gets it back.

Reminde me of a time a guy I know got home and realized he had dropped a c-note in the parking lot of the grocery store he'd just left. He actually drove back like it was gonna be there waiting for him on the ground.

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I would have the casino announce it on the loudspeaker so whoever lost it gets it back.

Reminde me of a time a guy I know got home and realized he had dropped a cool c-note in the parking lot of the grocery store he'd just left. He actually drove back like it was gonna be there waiting for him on the ground.

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Any time a casino refuses to cash chips, call gaming. If you have the chips, the casino has to cash them.

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Wishful thinking as well as inaccurate.

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It's not inaccurate. What I stated is accurate. Contact Vegas attny Bob Nersesian for the legal explanation.

Show me where it's written in the laws that a Vegas casino can legally refuse to cash chips. I'd like to see that. Do you have a link?

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I'd like to see that. Do you have a link?

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...566687025.html

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I'd like to see that. Do you have a link?

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Interesting. Thanks, bav.