JasonDanner owes me $500
 

Okay, I apologize to everyone that has to read this, because I realize it's quite lame, but whatever I want my money.

cliffsnotes: make a random prop bet at a table over the odds of our respective hands winning, we bet $500, I'm right obv, he doesn't pay.

I realize my chances are quite slim of getting money but I might as well try to humiliate him because welchers are annoying, and I would have paid him had I been wrong.

The hand in question:
Full Tilt Poker Game #4072909746: Table Anza (deep 6) - $0.75/$1.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:31:31 ET - 2007/11/04
Seat 1: Nocontrl9 ($303.75)
Seat 2: Keyser. ($304.70)
Seat 3: calicol75 ($225)
Seat 6: JasonDanner ($83.35)
Keyser. posts the small blind of $0.75
calicol75 posts the big blind of $1.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Keyser. [8d 8h]
JasonDanner raises to $5
Nocontrl9 folds
Keyser. calls $4.25
calicol75 folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 9c Jd]
Keyser. checks
JasonDanner bets $7
Keyser. raises to $299.70, and is all in
JasonDanner calls $71.35, and is all in
Keyser. shows [8d 8h]
JasonDanner shows [Td Qh]
Uncalled bet of $221.35 returned to Keyser.
*** TURN *** [7s 9c Jd] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [7s 9c Jd Qd] [5s]
Keyser. shows a pair of Eights
JasonDanner shows a pair of Queens
JasonDanner wins the pot ($166.20) with a pair of Queens
Keyser.: kewl i had the best hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $168.20 | Rake $2
Board: [7s 9c Jd Qd 5s]
Seat 1: Nocontrl9 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Keyser. (small blind) showed [8d 8h] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: calicol75 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: JasonDanner showed [Td Qh] and won ($166.20) with a pair of Queens


The chat:

Keyser.: kewl i had the best hand
Dealer: Hand #4072915048
JasonDanner: did u
JasonDanner: we were even money just about
Keyser.: um, yes
Keyser.: see except for me having the best hand, u
would be correct
JasonDanner: i had 2 8s 3 10s 3 qs and 4 k
Keyser.: but you also had 80 at a deep table so i do
not think i trust you
JasonDanner: what is that 52-48
Keyser.: i was 65/35
JasonDanner: no u werent
Keyser.: look it up
JasonDanner: what hell math r u using
JasonDanner: dude the rules of 4 and 2
Keyser.: want to bet?
JasonDanner: outs times 4 on the flop
JasonDanner: yes
Keyser.: k lets bet 500
JasonDanner: ill be that im with +/- 5%
JasonDanner: ohk
Keyser.: that i can prove i was 65/35
JasonDanner: sounds good
Keyser.: u better not not pay
JasonDanner: i can prove its coin flip
JasonDanner: go to cardplayer
JasonDanner: and use the calculator
Keyser.: download pokerstove
Keyser.: i used pokerstove but surely cardplayer says
the same
JasonDanner: kno cardplayer is free go there and put it in
Keyser.: pokerstove is free too
Keyser.: k i did it
Keyser.: cardplayer confirms it, 65/35
JasonDanner: im doin it right now
Keyser.: do it yourself if you dont believe
JasonDanner: i am
Keyser.: 65.56 to 34.44
Keyser.: you better not cheat me
Nocontrl9: he's not going to pay you
JasonDanner: nah man i would pay you 500 if u werent an
#$%
Keyser.: want to buy out for another amount jason? ill
be reasonable
JasonDanner: but seeing as how you are and wouldn't let
me apologize and pay you
Dealer: JasonDanner has 15 seconds left to act
JasonDanner: im going to give me 500 play chips
JasonDanner: because you never specified real or play
money
Keyser.: lol, sorry man. i shouldnt have doubted you
at first that was wrong
Keyser.: but if you don't pay i actually will be upset,
but you can choose to now. ill take 250 in real USD and
we'll call it even
Keyser.: what'dya say jason?
JasonDanner: look it up
Keyser.: the odds?
JasonDanner: no what i said
Keyser.: you're not going to pay at all?
Keyser.: ok, transfer me $50 and we call it even. I
know some folks at FTP so i think i'll be able to get the
money, you should really consider it
Dealer: drush63 wins the pot ($79.25)
Dealer: Hand #4073085360
JasonDanner: its fine you can try
JasonDanner: i said before if u werent an @&$
Dealer: JasonDanner has 15 seconds left to act
JasonDanner: i would have
JasonDanner: now
JasonDanner: im givig
JasonDanner: you play chips
JasonDanner: because u never specified 500 what
Keyser.: ok, you'll prolly hear from me soon

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Edit/MH: Locked owing to another thread being started.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

you didnt specify the denomination of chips so he is kind of right

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

eh, I mean that's true, but my intent is obvious.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

I mean, I didn't read the whole thing, but seriously? You expect a random guy at a table to be honest about prop bets and what not? Idk, seems naive to me.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

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I mean, I didn't read the whole thing, but seriously? You expect a random guy at a table to be honest about prop bets and what not? Idk, seems naive to me.

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of course, but I'm still posting it b/c I have nothing to lose and maybe he'll be slightly embarrassed or something.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

with all due respect you are the idiot here, not him.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

you can't just say "with all due respect" and then say something really mean after. :-)

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

I'd say there is less than a 1 in a 1000 chance of him paying you, even if he sees this and is "embarrassed or something."

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

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I'd say there is less than a 1 in a 1000 chance of him paying you, even if he sees this and is "embarrassed or something."

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i.e. posting is +EV. fwiw the odds are probably 1 in 10,000

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

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I'd say there is less than a 1 in a 1000 chance of him paying you, even if he sees this and is "embarrassed or something."

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i.e. posting is +EV. fwiw the odds are probably 1 in 10,000

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It took you time and energy to post.

Let's spend some more time/energy to figure out the actual EV, using your 1 in 10,000 figure.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

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you can't just say "with all due respect" and then say something really mean after. :-)

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im sorry, but im talking mainly about how you played the hand.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

This thread made me hum man of constant sorrow

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

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you can't just say "with all due respect" and then say something really mean after. :-)

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im sorry, but im talking mainly about how you played the hand.

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you must have missed that I was 65/35, i.e. I played it fantastically.

also everyone keep posting but I'm not going to defend myself anymore, b/c I fully realize I am being lame.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

500 says you'll keep defending yourself.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

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500 says you'll keep defending yourself.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post12813749

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

People saying he shouldn't expect to be paid aren't setting a very good precedent. I don't get why you went from 500 to 50 so quickly. Guy owes you $500.

Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

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Keyser.: cardplayer confirms it, 65/35


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Anybody here want to bet me $500 that "124 times 94 equals 11656" We'll check with a calculator and see who's right.

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Re: JasonDanner owes me $500
 

lol at this, Keyser if you would have bet something less than $500 I could see you complaining, but like you said Ed was buying in short. Do you think he has that kind of money? I'd also like to know if Ed were to do the same as you if he had won the bet or if he was joking around.