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Why does Full Tilt so publicly condemn multi-account users when it blatantly allows some players to do so? Is it just special exemption for them? How can Patrik Antonius, formerly Luigi on Full Tilt, now play under Finddagrind with no reprecussions at all? Can FTP comment to this matter?

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Bumping a thread after 20 minutes is not cool.

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To be honest, I was just curious how there can be so much discussion about PokerStars hats when this seems, well a little more significant in the light of the sillysal stuff. I mean is multi-accounting a big deal only for some people? Why does FT allow Antonius to do it?

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Are you familiar with the Jordon rules?

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To be honest, I was just curious how there can be so much discussion about PokerStars hats when this seems, well a little more significant in the light of the sillysal stuff. I mean is multi-accounting a big deal only for some people? Why does FT allow Antonius to do it?

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To be honest, it still isn't appropriate to bump the thread after 20 minutes. If people want to respond, they will. It's not really your job to decide what's more significant for the rest of the forum.

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PA makes more money for FT than you do, so he get's a vacation on the company plane and you don't. It's kind of how real life works too.

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b/c believe it or not PA is 100x more important than you

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all the big names on FTP MA

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I think OP makes a fair point, despite all the flaming.

TOS are there for EVERYONE. If you are going to bend them to suit then how can you persecute another person for doing the same. Regardless of how important someone is rules are there for everyone. FT have set a bad example by allowing the Pro's to MA IMO and are then shutting accounts and seizing funds of other players who do this. Hypocritical as far as I am concerned.

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I think OP makes a fair point, despite all the flaming.

TOS are there for EVERYONE. If you are going to bend them to suit then how can you persecute another person for doing the same. Regardless of how important someone is rules are there for everyone. FT have set a bad example by allowing the Pro's to MA IMO and are then shutting accounts and seizing funds of other players who do this. Hypocritical as far as I am concerned.

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That's exactly it...not to mention, he is NOT sponsored by FT and he does not make them very much money at all. Yes, he plays high stakes and so there is more high stakes action and more railbirds watching, but he rakes far less than a usual grinder. But why do I respond to that when it has nothing to do with the issue. It is a double standard that should only be allowed if they weren't throwing the iron fist at some people for it.

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TOS are there for EVERYONE. If you are going to bend them to suit then how can you persecute another person for doing the same. Regardless of how important someone is rules are there for everyone.

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I'm pretty sure Antonius shot them an email and said that he'd like to change his name. Since his business is very important to FT they oblige him. He hasn't broken any rules because they have made an exception for him.

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seizing funds of other players who do this

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They have not seized the funds of ANYONE just for using multiple accounts(except possibly in cases of bonus abuse).

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Hypocritical as far as I am concerned.

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Who cares? It's just like high rollers getting special treatment in casinos.

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It is a double standard that should only be allowed if they weren't throwing the iron fist at some people for it.

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They aren't being overly harsh with others though. They just make people go back to their first account.

As I said in the post above, treating high rollers differently is common in the gambling world. The big name FTP players draw people to the site, Grinder X doesn't. So when the big name player wants something a little out of the ordinary they do what they can to accommodate him.

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Black you are wrong on so many levels I will only address one or two. First of all, PA's business is NOT that important to FT. A HUGE shark at high stakes just pulls big $$$ amounts off the site and the side affect of one more person playing nosebleeds is not that big, especially when he is sponsored by other sites.

second, why would they agree if he 'shipped' them an email when they are then going to obviously get attacked for it when they have said REPEATEDLY that they don't flex their TOS for anyone.

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It is a double standard that should only be allowed if they weren't throwing the iron fist at some people for it.

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They aren't being overly harsh with others though. They just make people go back to their first account.

As I said in the post above, treating high rollers differently is common in the gambling world. The big name FTP players draw people to the site, Grinder X doesn't. So when the big name player wants something a little out of the ordinary they do what they can to accommodate him.

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And you casually act like this is no big deal when the whole point is basically to scam people. Someone changes his account name so that he can get action from those he wouldn't normally as well as have an added edge to those he knows well who won't know his game at first. It's blatant scamming and he is the last person who should need that.

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First of all, PA's business is NOT that important to FT. A HUGE shark at high stakes just pulls big $$$ amounts off the site and the side affect of one more person playing nosebleeds is not that big, especially when he is sponsored by other sites.


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Bzzzzzt wrong answer. Full Tilt doesn't make much money off PA directly, or even from the high stakes games. People do download the software just to watch him play, however. Those people are in turn more likely to play on FT themselves.

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second, why would they agree if he 'shipped' them an email when they are then going to obviously get attacked for it when they have said REPEATEDLY that they don't flex their TOS for anyone.

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Because the value of his continued play there exceeds the negative value of the backlash from wackos like you.

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And you casually act like this is no big deal when the whole point is basically to scam people. Someone changes his account name so that he can get action from those he wouldn't normally as well as have an added edge to those he knows well who won't know his game at first. It's blatant scamming and he is the last person who should need that.

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Playing anonymously is not scamming. It does provide an edge though.

There are reasons for PA and others to have secondary accounts aside from trying to get an edge on opponents. I'm sure some of the time PA just wants to get on and play without being hassled by railtards and such.

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First of all, PA's business is NOT that important to FT. A HUGE shark at high stakes just pulls big $$$ amounts off the site and the side affect of one more person playing nosebleeds is not that big, especially when he is sponsored by other sites.


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Bzzzzzt wrong answer. Full Tilt doesn't make much money off PA directly, or even from the high stakes games. People do download the software just to watch him play, however. Those people are in turn more likely to play on FT themselves.

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second, why would they agree if he 'shipped' them an email when they are then going to obviously get attacked for it when they have said REPEATEDLY that they don't flex their TOS for anyone.

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Because the value of his continued play there exceeds the negative value of the backlash from wackos like you.

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This is too funny. It's pathetic how easily agreeable you are to the bottom line. Hmmmmm, this sounds awfully familiar...where were you in defending Absolute for scamming their customers if they felt it in their best interest financially had they never so stupidly been caught? Are you saying a site should do whatever it wants to its customers simply for its bottom line? LOL

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Ok, has FT actually said they closed sillysal's account and seized her funds for botting? As far as i am aware, it looks as though Sal has been multi-accounting, which is what CrazyMike implied. So if FT have closed her account and seized her funds due to multi-accounting there is a major problem with them allowing the pro's to do exactly this.

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jeff329, it's FTP's site and FTP's decision. It doesn't matter how many times you respond saying "it isn't fair!" They don't care, and we don't either. Stop crying.

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seized her funds for botting

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seized her funds due to multi-accounting

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Which is it?

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They said sal was botting, hence the seized funds.

In every other case of multiaccounting I've ever seen no funds were seized.

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b/c believe it or not PA is 100x more important than you

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let me get this straight - people are unhappy about <u>other</u> people's account names?

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seized her funds for botting

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seized her funds due to multi-accounting

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Which is it?

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Can you not comprehend that I was asking a question? hence the question mark..... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Thanks blackize, ok it seems I had my wires crossed. If sal was accused of botting then it's a different matter, but if it turns out it is because of multi-accounting then it's totally wrong.

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how about the winner of the biggest online tournament ever, no funds seized there?

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how about the winner of the biggest online tournament ever, no funds seized there?

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I assume you're talking about the 2007 WCOOP.

There is a huge difference between having 2 accounts for your use and entering 2 accounts in the same tournament.

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lol, just got this pm from jeff329:

title: moron

"its posts like yours that make 2+2 so much worse than it could be...if you are not interested in something, instead of bumping it with your moronic comments, DONT READ IT "

I just wanted to make sure the thread included this important response.

Why are you still here? Seriously. Did you have your second account closed or something?

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If this bothers you this much, ask FTP not some random people on 2+2

If you want arguments, you post here... that is what you got.

We understand that important people get special treatment.

Also, does PA multi account or did he just get a name change?

Even if he does multi account, I bet he got permission to do it in advance. I bet that he didn't make a 2nd account so that he could get rakeback.

Most of the idiots who have had accounts closed due to multi accounts have had it done because they created the 2nd for Rakeback purposes, so i'm sure that's a big difference between PA and the rest as well.

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lol, just got this pm from jeff329:

title: moron

"its posts like yours that make 2+2 so much worse than it could be...if you are not interested in something, instead of bumping it with your moronic comments, DONT READ IT "

I just wanted to make sure the thread included this important response.

Why are you still here? Seriously. Did you have your second account closed or something?

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You do understand that "PM" means PRIVATE MESSAGE???

Obviously jeff was addressing you, not the forum and thats why he PM'd you. Show some etiquette man.

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it's posts like those by a nonymous that make 2p2 so much better than it otherwise could be.

once upon a time, idiocy was given short shrift here at 2p2. now it is more common, and making 2p2 like every other forum on the internet - full of bad thinking muppets.

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I think the question you need to ask is why does Full Tilt have their policy on multiple accounts. Most likely to avoid players from bonus whoring, getting rake back when they did not have it on their main account? None of these apply to PA. Seriously, high rollers get special treatment everywhere, go to a casino and see a high roller having their room comped or reserved seats and what not.. Why does this surprise anyone? This is a business and you need to accomidate your big spenders, go stick over a mil on your account and then demand to have a multiple account, if they deny you, then post about it.. Otherwise just accept it.

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lol, just got this pm from jeff329:

title: moron

"its posts like yours that make 2+2 so much worse than it could be...if you are not interested in something, instead of bumping it with your moronic comments, DONT READ IT "

I just wanted to make sure the thread included this important response.

Why are you still here? Seriously. Did you have your second account closed or something?

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You do understand that "PM" means PRIVATE MESSAGE???

Obviously jeff was addressing you, not the forum and thats why he PM'd you. Show some etiquette man.

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I assume this is a joke, and, if so, lol.

But you almost sound serious, and, if so, lol.

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I assume this is a joke, and, if so, lol.

But you almost sound serious, and, if so, lol.

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I doubt he was, and I don't know what's with all the lol'ing. Although it was a pretty stupid PM, posting PM's is generally frowned upon. Don't get me wrong, I'm not losing any sleep over it, as this thread's pretty silly...but generally speaking, posting PMs isn't cool.

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when people are saying "multi accounting", do you mean making a new username by yourself and transferring money to it, or using someone else's identity (like a friend) to make a legit account and then transfer money to that and play it? if it is the second, how can that be proved?

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hay the is unfair because they banned me for having 2 accounts so that i could just play freerolls

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I doubt he was, and I don't know what's with all the lol'ing. Although it was a pretty stupid PM, posting PM's is generally frowned upon. Don't get me wrong, I'm not losing any sleep over it, as this thread's pretty
silly...but generally speaking, posting PMs isn't cool.

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Exactly my point.

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I think the question you need to ask is why does Full Tilt have their policy on multiple accounts. Most likely to avoid players from bonus whoring, getting rake back when they did not have it on their main account? None of these apply to PA. Seriously, high rollers get special treatment everywhere, go to a casino and see a high roller having their room comped or reserved seats and what not.. Why does this surprise anyone? This is a business and you need to accomidate your big spenders, go stick over a mil on your account and then demand to have a multiple account, if they deny you, then post about it.. Otherwise just accept it.

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I agree with this. The thing I was thinking about was the post in SillySal's thread about 3 accounts having similar stats, thats why I was thinking FT closed her account and seized funds due to her multi-accounting. Has it actually been confirmed her account was closed due to "botting"?

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hay the is unfair because they banned me for having 2 accounts so that i could just play freerolls

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Freerolls are there so that people can get a taste of online poker, hopefully they win some money and begin regularly generating rake for the site.

Scum like you abuse bonuses and other freebies like the freerolls.

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Has it actually been confirmed her account was closed due to "botting"?

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Yes. She posted the email she received from FT, and it was for botting. I can't remember how they phrased it, something about illegal AI software, but it amounts to the same thing.

Usually when FT catches someone who opened a second account for RB, they close the second account and transfer the money back to the first. I've never heard of anyone having money seized at FT for opening a second account. I suppose they might if someone was using multiple accounts to cheat, but I've never heard of it.