Libertarian Troll Bingo!
 

I found this on the blogosphere and had to share, it's hilarious!
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What does A=A mean?

Also the free square rules.

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What does A=A mean?

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A=A is a famous Ayn Rand quote.

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What does A=A mean?

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Lots of not very smart people (I expect one or more of them to post in this thread any time soon) believe that the logical deductive method that underlies much libertarian analysis is somehow based on "empty tautologies", or are simply semantic definitional games. What they fail to understand is that something can be a tautology and be anything but "empty." All of mathematics is based on tautology, as is evolutionary theory.

In fact, A=A is an incredibly important statement that underlies all of mathematics; without it, the world is nonsensical. And the economic equivalent, something like "Actors act" is equally important.

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What does A=A mean?

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A=A is a famous Ayn Rand quote.

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lol

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What does A=A mean?

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Lots of not very smart people (I expect one or more of them to post in this thread any time soon) believe that the logical deductive method that underlies much libertarian analysis is somehow based on "empty tautologies", or are simply semantic definitional games. What they fail to understand is that something can be a tautology and be anything but "empty." All of mathematics is based on tautology, as is evolutionary theory.

In fact, A=A is an incredibly important statement that underlies all of mathematics; without it, the world is nonsensical. And the economic equivalent, something like "Actors act" is equally important.

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Thanks, I am reading the wiki page on tautology now

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the board is supposed to have numbers on it.. the announcer would have to say "I-Poor people are just lazy"..

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Or, since "Poor people are just lazy" only exists in one column, he'd probably stick with only that.

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I think "Reads and admires Heinlein" is the most wrong.

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This is so me it's creepy.

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lol at the freespace

no bingo for me. Almost, but I'm not "anti-choice" I think [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Meh...I only agree with 4 of those. I ain't no libertarian.

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My haircut's not that bad.

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What does A=A mean?

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A=A is a famous Ayn Rand quote.

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lol

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Bah- I didn't mean to intend that she invented it or anything. It certainly was something repeated constantly in her writings (since you claimed you never read her trash, you'll have to take my word on it). Normally she would frame it as "A is A".

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Or, since "Poor people are just lazy" only exists in one column, he'd probably stick with only that.

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Same with bingo numbers... it's a finding aid.

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Really? Or are you leveling me?

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No, I'm not. Google "A is A". 2nd on the list is the Ayn Rand Institute. Although you have plenty of disagreements with her, I'm sure you realize tons of libertarians were influenced by her. Of course the law of identity is as old as formal logic itself, but she repeated it quite a bit. I apologize about being brief when I initially mentioned it, but I was short on time and wanted to be helpful.

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Really? Or are you leveling me?

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No, I'm not. Google "A is A". 2nd on the list is the Ayn Rand Institute. Although you have plenty of disagreements with her, I'm sure you realize tons of libertarians were influenced by her. Of course the law of identity is as old as formal logic itself, but she repeated it quite a bit. I apologize about being brief when I initially mentioned it, but I was short on time and wanted to be helpful.

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One of my favorite Simpsons episodes. Some more background here. And here.

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Oh also, zero political content but this reminded me "Hipster Bingo" from a few years back:

http://www.catbirdseat.org/catbirdseat/bingo.jpg

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As a hipster libertarian I could probably fill 4 spots total.

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Also, do you get a square in the libertarian box if you yourself say or do those things?

Because I get 13 squares but no bingo....well maybe the O column but not so much.

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Awesome, I guess I don't win though.
"Is an athiest, but anti-choice"
I don't really get this one.

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What does A=A mean?

Also the free square rules.

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A=A is a famous Ayn Rand quote.

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wtf no it's Leibniz

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A=A is a tenet of objectivism, put forth by Ayn Rand. It is the rational representation of non-contradictory identity. A thing is what it is.

What's funny about putting this out as a libertarian concept is that Rand herself hated libertarians, calling them "the hippies of the right."

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wtf no it's Leibniz

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But Rand used it extensively in her philosophy.

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What does A=A mean?

Also the free square rules.

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A=A is a famous Ayn Rand quote.

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wtf no it's Leibniz

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The origin is far before Leibniz. Read the entire thread for more explanation.

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Awesome, I guess I don't win though.
"Is an athiest, but anti-choice"
I don't really get this one.

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Worst haiku ever.

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Really? Or are you leveling me?

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No, I'm not. Google "A is A". 2nd on the list is the Ayn Rand Institute. Although you have plenty of disagreements with her, I'm sure you realize tons of libertarians were influenced by her. Of course the law of identity is as old as formal logic itself, but she repeated it quite a bit. I apologize about being brief when I initially mentioned it, but I was short on time and wanted to be helpful.

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Thanks.

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'Anti-choice'???
wtf, who in their right mind is against choices? I'm lost.

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'Anti-choice'???
wtf, who in their right mind is against choices? I'm lost.

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Seriously?

Anti-choice = Believes abortion should be illegal.

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'Anti-choice'???
wtf, who in their right mind is against choices? I'm lost.

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Seriously?

Anti-choice = Believes abortion should be illegal.

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Its no more and no less dishonest a tactic than calling yourself "pro-life" and insinuating that the other side is somehow anti-life. I approve.

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'Anti-choice'???
wtf, who in their right mind is against choices? I'm lost.

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Seriously?

Anti-choice = Believes abortion should be illegal.

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A few years back, the MA LP was selling buttons and bumper stickers that said "Libertarian, Pro-Choice on Everything."

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I didn't know Parliaments were a hipster cliche. And I'm a young white male with an (arguably) bad haircut.

I'm gonna go off myself now.

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'Anti-choice'???
wtf, who in their right mind is against choices? I'm lost.

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Seriously?

Anti-choice = Believes abortion should be illegal.

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Its no more and no less dishonest a tactic than calling yourself "pro-life" and insinuating that the other side is somehow anti-life. I approve.

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'Anti-choice'???
wtf, who in their right mind is against choices? I'm lost.

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Seriously?

Anti-choice = Believes abortion should be illegal.

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Its no more and no less dishonest a tactic than calling yourself "pro-life" and insinuating that the other side is somehow anti-life. I approve.

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Except the issue is entirely about life and not at all about choice, which should be made perfectly clear by the fact that even the most radical libertarians (the most "pro-choice" people in the world) are split on the issue. See one of my last posts in the recent abortion thread about obfuscating and misdirecting from the truth about abortion with unrelated, pathological analogies or turning it into some sort of bastardized civil liberties issue (like preventing the choice of raping someone would be a civil liberties issue for the rapist), while totally ignoring the legitimate and worthwhile debate that is going on about the value of the unborn.

Also love how you insinuate dishonesty and then approve of it in the same post.


btw vhawk,

Your input is still desired in that other thread.

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'Anti-choice'???
wtf, who in their right mind is against choices? I'm lost.

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Seriously?

Anti-choice = Believes abortion should be illegal.

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Its no more and no less dishonest a tactic than calling yourself "pro-life" and insinuating that the other side is somehow anti-life. I approve.

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Except the issue is entirely about life and not at all about choice, which should be made perfectly clear by the fact that even the most radical libertarians (the most "pro-choice" people in the world) are split on the issue. See one of my last posts in the recent abortion thread about obfuscating and misdirecting from the truth about abortion with unrelated, pathological analogies or turning it into some sort of bastardized civil liberties issue (like preventing the choice of raping someone would be a civil liberties issue for the rapist), while totally ignoring the legitimate and worthwhile debate that is going on about the value of the unborn.

Also love how you insinuate dishonesty and then approve of it in the same post.


btw vhawk,

Your input is still desired in that other thread.



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Wow, if I agreed with a single thing in this post then we wouldnt even have an argument, right? For example "the entire issue is about life and not at all about choice" couldnt possibly be more wrong.

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'Anti-choice'???
wtf, who in their right mind is against choices? I'm lost.

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Seriously?

Anti-choice = Believes abortion should be illegal.

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Its no more and no less dishonest a tactic than calling yourself "pro-life" and insinuating that the other side is somehow anti-life. I approve.

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Except the issue is entirely about life and not at all about choice, which should be made perfectly clear by the fact that even the most radical libertarians (the most "pro-choice" people in the world) are split on the issue. See one of my last posts in the recent abortion thread about obfuscating and misdirecting from the truth about abortion with unrelated, pathological analogies or turning it into some sort of bastardized civil liberties issue (like preventing the choice of raping someone would be a civil liberties issue for the rapist), while totally ignoring the legitimate and worthwhile debate that is going on about the value of the unborn.

Also love how you insinuate dishonesty and then approve of it in the same post.


btw vhawk,

Your input is still desired in that other thread.



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Wow, if I agreed with a single thing in this post then we wouldnt even have an argument, right? For example "the entire issue is about life and not at all about choice" couldnt possibly be more wrong.

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Then where does choice come into it? You tell me. Are there huge message board threads out there about whether or not people should have the choice to kill other people that I just haven't seen?

Then you post, who said anything about killing other people?

Then I post, exactly - that's what the debate is about. Not about "choice."

If the debate IS about choice, then why are so many radical libertarians/ACists etc. so staunchly against abortion? We are pro-choice on literally EVERY SINGLE ISSUE where choice is even a factor, i.e., choices that do not involve aggression. Can you answer this?

How about we make a deal - I'll admit to being anti-homicide-choice if you'll admit to being anti-fetal-life. How's that? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I also like how you didn't address my post at all, which is not so different from your snark-and-run tactics in the other recent abortion thread. If you are so confident in that contract argument, I am eager to hear you defend child murder on the same grounds.

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'Anti-choice'???
wtf, who in their right mind is against choices? I'm lost.

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Seriously?

Anti-choice = Believes abortion should be illegal.

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Its no more and no less dishonest a tactic than calling yourself "pro-life" and insinuating that the other side is somehow anti-life. I approve.

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Except the issue is entirely about life and not at all about choice, which should be made perfectly clear by the fact that even the most radical libertarians (the most "pro-choice" people in the world) are split on the issue. See one of my last posts in the recent abortion thread about obfuscating and misdirecting from the truth about abortion with unrelated, pathological analogies or turning it into some sort of bastardized civil liberties issue (like preventing the choice of raping someone would be a civil liberties issue for the rapist), while totally ignoring the legitimate and worthwhile debate that is going on about the value of the unborn.

Also love how you insinuate dishonesty and then approve of it in the same post.


btw vhawk,

Your input is still desired in that other thread.



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Wow, if I agreed with a single thing in this post then we wouldnt even have an argument, right? For example "the entire issue is about life and not at all about choice" couldnt possibly be more wrong.

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Then where does choice come into it? You tell me. Are there huge message board threads out there about whether or not people should have the choice to kill other people that I just haven't seen?

Then you post, who said anything about killing other people?

Then I post, exactly - that's what the debate is about. Not about "choice."

If the debate IS about choice, then why are so many radical libertarians/ACists etc. so staunchly against abortion? We are pro-choice on literally EVERY SINGLE ISSUE where choice is even a factor, i.e., choices that do not involve aggression. Can you answer this?

How about we make a deal - I'll admit to being anti-homicide-choice if you'll admit to being anti-fetal-life. How's that? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I also like how you didn't address my post at all, which is not so different from your snark-and-run tactics in the other recent abortion thread. If you are so confident in that contract argument, I am eager to hear you defend child murder on the same grounds.

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I'm not anti-fetal life, just like I'm not anti-immunizations or anti-poor people getting a warm meal.

But anyway, as to any further responses needed in the other thread, just understand that I <3 Judith Thomson, and you can probably extrapolate any particulars from that. I have yet to see any objection to her thought experiment that is even remotely convincing to me. The life or non-life of the fetus, while possibly an interesting scientific question, could not be any less relevant.

EDIT: btw, yes, there probably ARE huge message board posts about whether it is ok to kill people. Obviously there are many times where it is. Self-defense, war (arguably), surely you can imagine others. I'm willing to grant that abortion is killing a person (although I dont think it is, I find its an unnecessary point to argue) and yet its still ok. I probably killed 15 people today in various ways.

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He killed them softly with his song.