Adrian Peterson is not Overrated, statistical comparison CTaylor - AP
 

Alot of people agree that Adrian Peterson is a damn good RB but I still am reading some excuses that are being made for why he is overrated. I know that the people who watched the games know how good he is, but for those who base their opinions off of ESPN, and Sportscenter...

The Vikings have a worse pass offense than last year. Currently 32nd in passing, 1st in rushing. I think its safe to assume that every team in the NFL knows that we are going to run the ball. Teams have stacked the box all year, but our Rushing offense has only improved? A lot of people who don't watch Vikings games keep spouting off about how they have some "godlike offensive line." I watch every game, I know that Hutchinson is a great Guard, but besides him this team is Average. McKinney is an average LT, Birk is a pass blocking specialist and makes the probowl purely on reputation (a pretty good center, dont get me wrong). Heres the big thing...Right Guard is Anothy Herrera who has started 2 games this year, and Artis Hicks who was the starter last year and through the first 6 games this year. Ryan Cook is a 2nd year player who played in his rookie season and is far below average like Herrera / Hicks. (I do like Herrera > Hicks fwiw).

Running back is a position that is commonly overrated because of great Oline play. Adrian Peterson gets it done w/ an average Oline (by no means top 10). He gets it done w/ no threat of a passing attack as well. He is simply the best pure runner in the league.

Heres my proof as to why the offensive line is simply average:

Last year:
Chester Taylor (average RB) with the same Oline for 90% of the games.

Games: 15/15 starts
Attempts: 303
Yards: 1,216
Average: 4.0
TDs: 6 rushing (Lengths: 4, 95, 1, 1, 1, 1 )
REC TDS: 0

Adrian Peterson:
through 8 games has:

Games 8/5 starts?, (not sure...moderately irrelevant)
Attempts: 158
Yards: 1036 yards.
Average: 6.6
Long: 73
TDS: 8 (Lengths: 11, 67, 73, 35, 20, 1, 64, 46)
REC TDS: 1 (Lengths: 60)

He is AVERAGING 1 play over 50yds / game, has 9! Last year Taylor had 1 over 50 all season.

See the difference? I for one never would of imagined the difference an elite RB can make, as I was on the "RBs are the most easily replaced / overrated position in the NFL" club. Yes, the Oline has had some good games, but watch the Eagles game and other games. There weren't any holes at all!

Its my hope that the Vikings will use their star to retrieve Cowher out of retirement and actually win some games next year.

Also... Leading the league in rushing as a rookie, owning the single game rushing record, and the 4th best all purpose yards in a game is a pretty decent sign that you are good.

NFL.com's awesome video highlights:
week 9

Week 6

The rest of the videos you can tab through if you just click on his name in the left navigational bar.

Re: Adrian Peterson is not Overrated, statistical comparison CTaylor - AP
 

good day for this thread...295 and 3 touches has nothing to do with overrated..

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this guy's nasty. already has the nfl record
i thought mckinnie was a can't miss left tackle when he came out. only average?

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AP is turning into the runner a lot of people thought Reggie Bush was going to be. He's fun to watch. Good on Minnesota for drafting him. Another great runner from the state of Texas.

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Pretty obviously not overrated, or maybe I missed out on something. Adrian Peterson may be having one of the greatest seasons ever. Dude has no passing game, different QB every week. It doesn't matter. Just rips off monster gains like it's no problem. It's nice to consistently gain 3 yards or w/e but a guy who will run for 40+ like 3 times a game is CLEARLY superior no matter how bad he is the rest of time assuming it isn't fumbles.

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Is it the general consensus that AP would have been a top pick in the draft had he not broken his collarbone?

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Is it the general consensus that AP would have been a top pick in the draft had he not broken his collarbone?

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Oakland was going QB no matter what. Lion had Kevin Jones. Cleveland needed to sure up line. I'd say he'd go 4 to tampa.

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Is it the general consensus that AP would have been a top pick in the draft had he not broken his collarbone?

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Oakland was going QB no matter what. Lion had Kevin Jones. Cleveland needed to sure up line. I'd say he'd go 4 to tampa.

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Cards were really tempted but with Edge and our line being so awful last year we had to go OT. Sucks because our line has played well without our 1st pick. And AP would have been sweet on our team..oh well

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something i found strange...

original stats i saw were that he had 295 yards today, tying him with jamal lewis for the single game most yards...an hour later i check, and it's 296, giving him the record...

home-cooking? and how does that work?

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something i found strange...

original stats i saw were that he had 295 yards today, tying him with jamal lewis for the single game most yards...an hour later i check, and it's 296, giving him the record...

home-cooking? and how does that work?

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They incorrectly recorded him taking a knee for a 1 yard loss.

296 is accurate and was changed like 30 seconds after game end.

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lol

the espn article about him hotlinks to the bears AP instead

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lol at thayer saying hed rather have reggie bush.

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lol at thayer saying hed rather have reggie bush.

[/ QUOTE ]Would you rather have Tomlinson AND Reggie Bush on team or just Adrian Peterson? Seems like a better question at this point.

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296 yards = not overrated

plus he's in a crappy team

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The Vikings are not a crappy team.

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296 yards = not overrated

plus he's a team with a crappy QB

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I would like to see this analysis ignoring big runs for both backs. Just to see how much those big runs inflate his ypc.

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296 yards = not overrated

plus he's a team with a crappy QB

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I would like to see this analysis ignoring big runs for both backs. Just to see how much those big runs inflate his ypc.

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How is it really inflation, though? He busts them all the time. Someone said 9 runs over 50 yards? It's not like it is someone with 20 carries for 1 yard busting 100 yarder. He has had a good % of his carries for "long" runs.

It isn't just variance.

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A RB who carries it for 4 yds 100% of the time is more valuable than a RB who carries it for 0 yds 90% of the time, and 40 yds 10% of the time.

Pre 1st down yardage > Post 1st down yardage.

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A RB who carries it for 4 yds 100% of the time is more valuable than a RB who carries it for 0 yds 90% of the time, and 40 yds 10% of the time.

Pre 1st down yardage > Post 1st down yardage.

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Yes, but 4th and 40 to goal line who do you go with?

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A RB who carries it for 4 yds 100% of the time is more valuable than a RB who carries it for 0 yds 90% of the time, and 40 yds 10% of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]Of course. That really has nothing to do with anything though.

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Funny line:
Week 6 224 yards
Week 7 63 yards
Week 8 70 yards
Week 9 296 yards

Peterson is obviously sick, a lot of talent at RB in the league though.

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lol at thayer saying hed rather have reggie bush.

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lol @ you keeping your mouth shut the past 2 weeks.

I still stand by my statement.

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A RB who carries it for 4 yds 100% of the time is more valuable than a RB who carries it for 0 yds 90% of the time, and 40 yds 10% of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]Of course. That really has nothing to do with anything though.

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It does. A RB who runs 8 yards or 2 yards is more valuable than a RB who runs 12 and -2.
Edit: The first one is an extreme example, but the value of each rushing yard isn't linear. A 2 yard run isn't twice as valuable as a one yard run.

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A RB who carries it for 4 yds 100% of the time is more valuable than a RB who carries it for 0 yds 90% of the time, and 40 yds 10% of the time.

Pre 1st down yardage > Post 1st down yardage.

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who are you even talking about, or are you speaking hypothetically? If that is the case a RB who gets "4 yards 100% of the time" would obviously be good, you would score every drive...

Anyways, Peterson's runs can often go on funny streaks such as: 1, 4, -1, 2, 1, 10, 2, 60 which is what I think you were referring to. A stat line like that screams to me that the opposing team is stacking the box. When the defense is stacked up in the box they will obviously get into the backfield a lot easier and a lot more often. The downside of that is that if Peterson can get through the box and into the second level all he has to beat is the corners + free safety.

When the Vikings have a QB that isnt the 3rd stringer [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] on the field and actually get a competent QB and as the young WRs progress teams wont be able to stack the box to the extremity that teams are currently doing. You will see a lot more of 4, 6, 1, 2, 12, 6, 4 just because of the fewer defenders in the box.

Imagine if Peterson was in a system such as the Colts where teams must commit to the pass before thinking run. Peterson would run crazy. Football is a team sport and Peterson's streaky gains show just that.

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lol at thayer saying hed rather have reggie bush.

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lol @ you keeping your mouth shut the past 2 weeks.

I still stand by my statement.

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Reggie Bush is super underated, don't understand the hate on him. Look at him doing exactly what "he couldnt" Take the full load...

Anyways, comparing Bush to Peterson is like comparing Vick to Manning. They are both the same position but in name only because they bring entirely different mismatches to the field.

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Watching him in college left me with a large man crush on Reggie Bush.

I think Peterson is a MUCH better back for the pro game. However, he needs to run with more care for his body, or he's going to miss a [censored] of games.

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lol at thayer saying hed rather have reggie bush.

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link? I'd definitely bump that if I were you [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Watching him in college left me with a large man crush on Reggie Bush.

I think Peterson is a MUCH better back for the pro game. However, he needs to run with more care for his body, or he's going to miss a fuckload of games.

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Injuries happen to all RBs. Avoiding the hits is obviously a useful skill but eventually injuries will happen to everybody. You can only hope its not too serious such as an ACL.

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lol at thayer saying hed rather have reggie bush.

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link? I'd definitely bump that if I were you [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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He said it 2 posts above you or so...

Bush seems like a guy that can be meh or amazing depending on the type of offense / talent around him. That being said I still think he is a great RB. Obviously Id prefer my guy, Peterson but Bush is worth his #2 draft selection imo.

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Watching him in college left me with a large man crush on Reggie Bush.

I think Peterson is a MUCH better back for the pro game. However, he needs to run with more care for his body, or he's going to miss a fuckload of games.

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Injuries happen to all RBs. Avoiding the hits is obviously a useful skill but eventually injuries will happen to everybody. You can only hope its not too serious such as an ACL.

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Yes, everybody gets hurt. Some people get hurt a lot more than others because they insist on jumping around and throwing themselves into people without any regard for their own goodwill.

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Watching him in college left me with a large man crush on Reggie Bush.

I think Peterson is a MUCH better back for the pro game. However, he needs to run with more care for his body, or he's going to miss a fuckload of games.

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Injuries happen to all RBs. Avoiding the hits is obviously a useful skill but eventually injuries will happen to everybody. You can only hope its not too serious such as an ACL.

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Yes, everybody gets hurt. Some people get hurt a lot more than others because they insist on jumping around and throwing themselves into people without any regard for their own goodwill.

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Completely agree, coaches need to put incentives into his contract that involve going out of bounds.

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However, he needs to run with more care for his body,

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Hopefully he won't learn the SA turf flop. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Reggie Bush was never slated to be an every down workhorse back in the NFL.

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Watching him in college left me with a large man crush on Reggie Bush.

I think Peterson is a MUCH better back for the pro game. However, he needs to run with more care for his body, or he's going to miss a fuckload of games.

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Injuries happen to all RBs. Avoiding the hits is obviously a useful skill but eventually injuries will happen to everybody. You can only hope its not too serious such as an ACL.

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Yes, everybody gets hurt. Some people get hurt a lot more than others because they insist on jumping around and throwing themselves into people without any regard for their own goodwill.

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Alot of times they get injured trying to avoid the injury rather than just running hard.

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It does. A RB who runs 8 yards or 2 yards is more valuable than a RB who runs 12 and -2.
Edit: The first one is an extreme example, but the value of each rushing yard isn't linear. A 2 yard run isn't twice as valuable as a one yard run.

[/ QUOTE ]Obv a running back who gets 0 or negative yards the majority of his carries is pretty worthless but that is a hypothetical player who does not exist. In general I'll take a steady player over boom/bust but not if the boom is like Peterson or Barry Sanders. Talking about players that not only can but probably *will* score from 40+ yards out once a game. That's points on the board on a regular basis.

I said that has nothing to do with anything because no one gains 4 yards or more every carry, and no one goes for 0 or 40 either. I mean if you think Marion Barber or Joesph Addai are better because of their DVOA, lol. Pretty sure you do not though so I'm making a strawman here.

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lol at thayer saying hed rather have reggie bush.

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lol @ you keeping your mouth shut the past 2 weeks.

I still stand by my statement.

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Reggie Bush is super underated, don't understand the hate on him. Look at him doing exactly what "he couldnt" Take the full load...

Anyways, comparing Bush to Peterson is like comparing Vick to Manning. They are both the same position but in name only because they bring entirely different mismatches to the field.

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That cheap shot at Reggie Bush was totally unnecessary imo.

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Reggie Bush is super underated, don't understand the hate on him. Look at him doing exactly what "he couldnt" Take the full load...

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When has he taken the full load as a RB? He isn't even averaging 15 carries a game.

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Talking about players that not only can but probably *will* score from 40+ yards out once a game.

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"that is a hypothetical player who does not exist"

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Reggie Bush is super underated, don't understand the hate on him. Look at him doing exactly what "he couldnt" Take the full load...

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When has he taken the full load as a RB? He isn't even averaging 15 carries a game.

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Why does that even matter?

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Reggie Bush is super underated, don't understand the hate on him. Look at him doing exactly what "he couldnt" Take the full load...

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When has he taken the full load as a RB? He isn't even averaging 15 carries a game.

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This seems to have more to do with the Saints passing abilities/being behind a lot early in the season than any merits of Reggie Bush. The only time another running back had a significant amount of carries since Deuce was injured was week 6 when Stecker had 8 to Bush's 19. I'm not counting the blowout of San Fran when Stecker damn well should've been in over Bush.

Was Bush injured during the week 6 game?

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Being a Packer fan, all I have to say is this. I do not look forward to having to face AP 2+ times per year for the forseeable future.