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KCrow 11-04-2007 03:09 PM

AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
Villain is unknown. FWIW - I hate my Cbet, I think I should have checked as the board was so dry.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $67.65
BTN: $52.60
SB: $42.95
BB: $49.05
UTG: $50
MP: $56.35

UTG posts $0.50
Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG checks, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($7.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $10</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($27.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $10.50</font>, Hero calls $10.50

latvaniemi 11-04-2007 03:16 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
Meh shove him on the turn, AK is possible, So is A8 or a set on 8's and 4's. If thats the case i would pay him off. The cbet is fine since your hand is weak. I would've maked it 6,25-6,5.

KCrow 11-04-2007 03:43 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
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The cbet is fine since your hand is weak.

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Surely it's not that weak, on this flop I'm either WA/WB. Does checking the flop not get more value from all weaker aces, and pocket pairs and reduce the risk of loosing a big pot to a set.

thizzSantaCruz 11-04-2007 03:48 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
I think you have to bet the flop. You build a pot with weaker aces, you don't neccesarily blow them out of it. AT or AJ will call here. Also it balances your play because you are going to be betting this flop a lot when you miss.

Edit: forgot to answer your question lol. If opponent is very passive I might think about letting this go, but as is I am happily getting it in on the turn.

Profish2285 11-04-2007 03:49 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
The c-bet is perfect and there is absolutely no reason to even consider checking this flop. As played, just get it in on the turn.

smokingrobot 11-04-2007 03:56 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
I had to read this twice to realize its not an omaha hand in the wrong forum. :/

i'd say at worst you're up against a PP in the BB that spiked trips. Smooth call BB could very well have PP here, and with a c/r on the flop?

That said, i'd bet the flop 6-max too.

w/o any info on the villain, i would then check and call down for value.

You're behind trips, ahead of many other possible hands and still have 4 outs although i'd say your more likely to get paid off more if you catch a Q over an A.

Check_The_Nuts 11-04-2007 04:41 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
whether its good to cbet here or not depends entirely on your cbet frequency in this spot.

I wouldn't have called the min check raise.

I would call turn and call river or push if he doesn't. He's got worse aces often.

runfor1 11-04-2007 04:46 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
So your raising the flop minraise?

As played, I call turn and call/push river also.

Profish2285 11-04-2007 05:46 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
Yea Im curious too, if you arent calling his min raise Im guessing youre shoving over it? If you are, then why would you do that, the board is very dry? If you meant you are folding, then that makes no sense because later on you said he has weaker aces often.

Nick Royale 11-04-2007 05:56 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
I like it so far. I also like calling the turn and getting it in on any river. If his weak turnbet actually means weakness you're better off calling. If he has a good hand there's just about none card on the river that will shut down our action. And he has a draw about never on this dry board.

mjm 11-04-2007 06:00 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
I think you play it fine. From his flop and turn play his range is strongly skewed to either 2 pair or a set. I call it down and shove if he doesn't bet river.

Check_The_Nuts 11-04-2007 06:19 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
I just fold the flop. Check/minraising that board is a really strong move that I don't often mess with (without due reason).

Profish2285 11-04-2007 06:21 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
Check, you dont see villains doing this with weaker aces on a regular basis? I just think AJ/AT show up fairly often but I guess this is similar to my post where I had problems so I guess there is some merit to this, it just feels so weak though.

Check_The_Nuts 11-04-2007 06:22 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
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Check, you dont see villains doing this with weaker aces on a regular basis? I just think AJ/AT show up fairly often but I guess this is similar to my post where I had problems so I guess there is some merit to this, it just feels so weak though.

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no generally I'm shown a strong hand by a fish. Tags do it thats another kettle of fish...is that a pun? just a play on words...

maciczka 11-04-2007 06:22 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
SHOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEE

wingchunflush 11-04-2007 06:23 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
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Meh shove him on the turn, AK is possible, So is A8 or a set on 8's and 4's. If thats the case i would pay him off. The cbet is fine since your hand is weak. I would've maked it 6,25-6,5.

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the size of the bet on the flop is fine. I agree with everything else in this post. You called the raise on the flop hoping to hit your kicker and you did. If your not comfortable putting it in here, you should have folded on the flop.

traz 11-04-2007 08:52 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
shove turn, you don't want to get away from this

bubaloo 11-04-2007 09:35 PM

Re: AQ - top two can I get away from this.
 
folding this shouldnt be on your mind, cbet is mandatory here as it is 3way (i might chk this HU vs a decent villain, obv bet vs a donk) i looked at this hand earlier and thought jamming the turn would be best. he has $27 left in a $48 pot, if he has any hand he's calling a shove but, if he has air (unlikely given line, but still possible) calling turn and call/shove the river would be a bit better because there is not 1 scare card in the deck. so yeah i like the line. all the money has to go in here always, if he has 44 then whatever.


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