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Mihalych 11-04-2007 11:32 AM

QQ
 
Trere is no statistic from villian.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($10)
UTG ($9.90)
UTG+1 ($8.01)
MP1 ($3.95)
Hero ($11.97)
MP3 ($7.10)
CO ($7.57)
Button ($4.04)
SB ($8.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $1.2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.80.

Flop: ($2.55) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, CO calls $7.57 (All-In), Hero calls ...

Should i bet on flop?
What should i do after rerase?
Your opinion ?

bsball8806 11-04-2007 11:39 AM

Re: QQ
 
Eh, I'd put his range on JJ, KK, AA, or AKd. We're behind all of these hands, I'd be interested for someone with stove to run these equity numbers.

I think it's a fold though, we're only getting a little better than 2:1, and I don't think we're 33% against that range.

dlorc 11-04-2007 11:39 AM

Re: QQ
 
The only question is whether you fist pump before or after you click call.

Screw_u_Guys 11-04-2007 11:46 AM

Re: QQ
 
Re-raise pre-flop to define your hand then it should be easier to get away from it after the flop IMO.

Mihalych 11-04-2007 11:55 AM

Re: QQ
 
sorry, bad post.
The post should be next.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($10)
UTG ($9.90)
UTG+1 ($8.01)
MP1 ($3.95)
Hero ($11.97)
MP3 ($7.10)
CO ($7.57)
Button ($4.04)
SB ($8.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $1.2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.80.

Flop: ($2.55) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, CO calls $7.57 (All-In), Hero ...

Profish2285 11-04-2007 11:55 AM

Re: QQ
 
4 betting pf is terrible. Snap call flop.

Nick Royale 11-04-2007 12:01 PM

Re: QQ
 
Crai flop. No reason to donk it really.

srohack 11-04-2007 12:04 PM

Re: QQ
 
i would try to keep the pot small after the flop and see his play on the turn

Nick Royale 11-04-2007 12:08 PM

Re: QQ
 
[ QUOTE ]
i would try to keep the pot small after the flop and see his play on the turn

[/ QUOTE ]
Good luck keeping the pot small in a rr pot, oop, vs a slightly shortstacked player.

Mihalych 11-04-2007 12:14 PM

Re: QQ
 
Yes,there is no hands wich i can beat.

matrix 11-04-2007 12:15 PM

Re: QQ
 
snap call and send TPTK to the poor house.

He has AJ/KJ at these stakes more often than he has AA/KK/JJ &amp; AKdd combined - we gots one [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] so the flush draw has one less out than it thinks it does.

I think this range is a little too tight and we are ~55/45 favourite against it - so snap call with fist pump.

40,590 games 0.003 secs 13,530,000 games/sec

Board: 3d 9d Jh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.934% 45.77% 01.16% 18578 472.50 { JJ+, AdKd, AJs, KJs, AJo, KJo }
Hand 1: 53.066% 51.90% 01.16% 21067 472.50 { QdQs }

bsball8806 11-04-2007 12:18 PM

Re: QQ
 
ok, given those stats, it looks like a call

dlorc 11-04-2007 12:23 PM

Re: QQ
 
I think one valid point is that w/o a decent # of hands on villain you really have no clue as to whether he's got a decent hand, an overpair, a flush draw/etc

At low limits you'll frequently see wild raises/bets and imo the hardest thing about lower stakes games is identifying the crazies who play 13/7 and then suddenly push allin into a tiny pot oop with total air vs a nit.

His range is certainly bigger than you think, which is why this is a profitable call @ 10nl.

Mihalych 11-04-2007 12:34 PM

Re: QQ
 
ok, call is profitable.
But my first action on flop.Is it right.
Should i check?

Inf1n1tY 11-04-2007 12:36 PM

Re: QQ
 
Easy fold, ur either facing AA, KK or a set of jacks, even if u give urself 10% equity that hes bluffing. I would play that hand the same way. I dont rr oop in micro without a read or AA KK

Nick Royale 11-04-2007 12:37 PM

Re: QQ
 
[ QUOTE ]
Should i check?

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes yes yes.

thac 11-04-2007 12:38 PM

Re: QQ
 
I don't like leading the flop after we flat called preflop (which I like), but check/raise should be pretty standard here against a 75bb stack that we have no history with.

matrix 11-04-2007 01:20 PM

Re: QQ
 
[ QUOTE ]
Easy fold, ur either facing AA, KK or a set of jacks, even if u give urself 10% equity that hes bluffing. I would play that hand the same way.

[/ QUOTE ]


this range is more accurate:

Board: 3d 9d Jh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.525% 54.52% 01.01% 28067 517.50 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 44.475% 43.47% 01.01% 22378 517.50 { JJ+, AdKd, AJs, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, A5s-A4s, Ad3d, Ad2d, KdJd, KdTd, QdJd, JdTd, AcKh, AcKs, AdKh, AdKs, KcJd, KcJh, KcJs, KdJh, KdJs, KhJs, QcJh, QcJs, QhJc, QhJs, QsJc, QsJh, JcTd, JcTh, JcTs, JdTh, JdTs, JhTs }

We are still a 55:45 favourite.

This range is basically A2dd+ (nut fd - AJdd has also nfd+TP - no AQdd cos we gots the Q)

JJ+ (top set - QQ for the tie - and 2 better Overpairs)

AJo (TPTK)

KJdd/QJdd (TPGK+fd)

AKo (AKo 1/4 of times he is dealt to represent a bluff)

KJo/JTo (1/2 of times dealt)




We could think that we were a 35:65 underdog and it will still be a profitable call to make in the long run we are getting better than 3:1 pot odds. In fact the range of *just* JJ+ and 10% of the time as a bluff is ~34/66 so is about breakeven (losing slightly cos of the rake.)


[ QUOTE ]
I dont rr oop in micro without a read or AA KK

[/ QUOTE ]

If you don't reraise QQ and AK from any position you are burning money.


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