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I know there are other important factors I'm not including but based on the following, how would you rank the following teams at the end of the year:

OSU loses to Michigan
LSU wins out
Oregon wins out
Kansas wins out
WVU wins out
BC wins out
Arizona St. wins out

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1. Kansas
2. Oregon
3. LSU
4. ASU
5. OSU
6. WVU
7. BC

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LSU > Oregon > ASU > OSU > BC

not sure where to put KS and WVU

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Kansas plays LSU for the championship in that scenario. If Oregon passes LSU in the polls, it will be just by a few points, and LSU should finish ahead of the Ducks in the computer rankings.

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I don't see Oregon passing LSU in the polls. I will not be happy if KU wins out and doesn't play for it all me being a Big 12 homer and all....but I don't think KU wins out anyways.

In your scenario I would rank them:

1. KU- Only undefeated team, won Big 12 North and beat OU in the championship game.

2. LSU- Going through the SEC with one loss is slightly more impressive than...

3. Oregon going through the Pac-10 with one loss.

4. Gotta put ASU here if their only loss is to the #3 team in this scenario.

5. OSU- Loss to Michigan a little more troubling than ASU losing to Oregon.

6. WVU- Loss to South Florida looks worse and worse as Bulls tumble.

7. BC- Should have lost to VT and get beat by a just ok FSU team.

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It looks good if it plays out this way; but it probably won't. As an SEC fan I won't pity KU too much if they win out and don't play for it all as Auburn went undefeated in 04 and got shafted by a pretender OU.

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1. Kansas (13-0)
2. LSU (12-1)
3. Oregon (11-1)
4. WVU (11-1)
5. OSU (11-1)
6. BC (12-1)
7. Arizona State (11-1)
8. Oklahoma (11-2)
9. Michigan (10-2)
10. Hawaii (12-0)

BCS Championship Game

#1 Kansas (13-0) vs. #2 LSU (12-1)

Orange Bowl

#6 Boston College (11-1) vs. #4 West Virginia (11-1)

Fiesta Bowl

#8 Oklahoma (11-2) vs. #5 Ohio State (11-1)

Sugar Bowl

#7 Arizona State (11-1) vs. #10 Hawaii (12-0)

Rose Bowl

#9 Michigan (10-2) vs. #3 Oregon (11-1)

A win over Oklahoma propels Kansas to number one for the first time this season and Oregon gets left out due to a mediocre PAC-10 and no championship game this year. I also added the assumption that Hawaii wins out as it makes choosing the 10th team a lot easier. Three very good bowl games, and only Hawaii and Michigan looking out of place.

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This is a little off-topic as I'll no longer be using the OP's scenarios, but here's what I'd project for the BCS bowls right now:

BCS Championship: LSU (12-1) vs. Oregon (11-1)
Rose Bowl: Michigan (10-2) vs. USC (10-2)
Orange Bowl: Clemson (11-2) vs. Ohio State (11-1)
Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma (12-1) vs. Florida (9-3)
Sugar Bowl: West Virginia (11-1) vs. Texas (10-2)

Edited to change ACC champ after checking schedules.

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i think the computer would have oregon very close to lsu under those circumstances maybe higher. if michigan beats osu then they move to around #10. therefore, oregon has victories over usc, mich, arizona state, and cal.

right now their strength of schedule is a little higher than lsu's and should increase with today's win over ASU

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i think the computer would have oregon very close to lsu under those circumstances maybe higher. if michigan beats osu then they move to around #10. therefore, oregon has victories over usc, mich, arizona state, and cal.

right now their strength of schedule is a little higher than lsu's and should increase with today's win over ASU

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Yeah, I kinda agree with this.

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Oklahoma beat Texas, there is no realistic scenario at this point in which Texas is in a BCS bowl game. One loss Kansas would go over them whether the loss comes in the Big 12 Championship or against Missouri.

Florida would need lots of help to get into the SEC championship game and would need to beat LSU to get into a BCS bowl game.

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of course what might tip it over to lsu would be the championship game that they win

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Oklahoma beat Texas, there is no realistic scenario at this point in which Texas is in a BCS bowl game. One loss Kansas would go over them whether the loss comes in the Big 12 Championship or against Missouri.

Florida would need lots of help to get into the SEC championship game and would need to beat LSU to get into a BCS bowl game.

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Here's a scenario for you: Missouri loses at Kansas State, but then beats Kansas in the finale. Kansas still wins the division, but loses their 2nd game in a row when they face OU in the Big XII title game.

And if the Pac-Ten teams, the Big Ten teams, and the Big XII teams are all off-limits, yes I think a 3-loss Florida team would stand a very good chance of being an at-large. Much better than a 2-loss BC or UConn.

After looking things over again though, I think I have it wrong. I think Clemson loses to South Carolina in the regular season finale and thus finishes 10-3 after winning the ACC Title instead of 11-2. That means that Boise State would have a higher BCS ranking than them at 11-1 and would probably get an at-large.

So, the Fiesta Bowl remains OU/Florida, but Boise State probably takes Texas's at-large spot in the Sugar Bowl.

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i think the computer would have oregon very close to lsu under those circumstances maybe higher. if michigan beats osu then they move to around #10. therefore, oregon has victories over usc, mich, arizona state, and cal.
right now their strength of schedule is a little higher than lsu's and should increase with today's win over ASU

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Yeah, I kinda agree with this.

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The only problem with this is Oregon lost to Cal.

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LSU > Oregon > ASU > OSU > BC

not sure where to put KS and WVU

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If Kansas wins out they will have beaten two top 7 teams in their last two games and be undefeated. They are easily #1.

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The computers like Kansas. If they win out, they're in.

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If LSU goes to the BCS title game, The Sugar gets to pick to replace them and is most likely going to choose a 3-loss Auburn or Florida, if available. Of course, that would involve Florida winning out but not getting to the SECCG or Auburn beating Georgia and Bama, but it could happen. You can throw out the "but so-and-so is more deserving" arguments. That's very likely the way it would go down. It's not like there is going to be a bunch of 1-loss at-large teams to choose from anyway.

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Oklahoma beat Texas, there is no realistic scenario at this point in which Texas is in a BCS bowl game. One loss Kansas would go over them whether the loss comes in the Big 12 Championship or against Missouri.

Florida would need lots of help to get into the SEC championship game and would need to beat LSU to get into a BCS bowl game.

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Here's a scenario for you: Missouri loses at Kansas State, but then beats Kansas in the finale. Kansas still wins the division, but loses their 2nd game in a row when they face OU in the Big XII title game.

And if the Pac-Ten teams, the Big Ten teams, and the Big XII teams are all off-limits, yes I think a 3-loss Florida team would stand a very good chance of being an at-large. Much better than a 2-loss BC or UConn.

After looking things over again though, I think I have it wrong. I think Clemson loses to South Carolina in the regular season finale and thus finishes 10-3 after winning the ACC Title instead of 11-2. That means that Boise State would have a higher BCS ranking than them at 11-1 and would probably get an at-large.

So, the Fiesta Bowl remains OU/Florida, but Boise State probably takes Texas's at-large spot in the Sugar Bowl.

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How in the hell does Boise St. get an at large BCS bid? They'd be 11-1 overall, 0-1 against BCS conference teams with that loss to a bad Washington team. They'd have a landmark win over... Hawaii??? Sorry, but no way does BSU get a BCS bid this year. Hawaii does only if they win out, but no chance for Boise St.

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All they have to do is be in the Top 16 of the BCS rankings and they get an automatic bid if there's a BCS conference champion ranked lower. I'm saying that if Clemson wins the ACC at 10-3 (which I think they will), Boise State would fit that criteria.

Last week, Boise State was #22 in the BCS rankings so that's only 6 spots to rise. They probably will already have passed Wisconsin and South Florida when the new rankings come out today and shouldn't have much problem passing 4 more teams before the season's out if they get to 11-1.

If on the other hand, if Clemson or BC wins the ACC at 11-2 and finishes ahead of Boise State, then I don't think the Broncos will be able to crack the Top 12 which would then be the requirement.

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All they have to do is be in the Top 16 of the BCS rankings and they get an automatic bid if there's a BCS conference champion ranked lower. I'm saying that if Clemson wins the ACC at 10-3 (which I think they will), Boise State would fit that criteria.

Last week, Boise State was #22 in the BCS rankings so that's only 6 spots to rise. They probably will already have passed Wisconsin and South Florida when the new rankings come out today and shouldn't have much problem passing 4 more teams before the season's out if they get to 11-1.

If on the other hand, if Clemson or BC wins the ACC at 11-2 and finishes ahead of Boise State, then I don't think the Broncos will be able to crack the Top 12 which would then be the requirement.

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Fair enough, I didn't know the automatic bid rule.

Let me amend my statement to "There's no way Boise St. deserves a BCS Bid this year."

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It looks good if it plays out this way; but it probably won't. As an SEC fan I won't pity KU too much if they win out and don't play for it all as Auburn went undefeated in 04 and got shafted by a pretender OU.

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Not really the same thing. Auburn was one of three major UNDEFEATED teams, while right now KU trails two teams with one loss. If they were to run the table and not get in over someone like LSU or Oregon, it would be a much greater travesty than Auburn being the odd team out (although that sucked also!).

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If Ohio State and Kansas win out, they play for the national title. I guarantee it. If Ohio State loses, as in the OP's scenario, but all the other current contenders win out, LSU is very likely to be Kansas' opponent, although there's a *small* chance that Oregon could sneak in if LSU is unconvincing enough for the pollsters to move Oregon up to the level of consensus #2. This is highly unlikely though, LSU definitely has the strong inside track, with Arkansas and the SEC Championship still on their schedule.

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BJJ -

you feel LSU over Ore is fair? I don't see the order very likely to change if they both win out.

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I don't feel I'm qualified to comment on the fairness of LSU over Oregon, as I'm a Duck fan. Obviously I don't want to see it. Objectively, I can break down the reality of how the BCS functions and say it's very likely. But fair? I'm not the one to ask.

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I don't see Oregon passing LSU in the polls. I will not be happy if KU wins out and doesn't play for it all me being a Big 12 homer and all....but I don't think KU wins out anyways.

In your scenario I would rank them:

1. KU- Only undefeated team, won Big 12 North and beat OU in the championship game.

2. LSU- Going through the SEC with one loss is slightly more impressive than...

3. Oregon going through the Pac-10 with one loss.

4. Gotta put ASU here if their only loss is to the #3 team in this scenario.

5. OSU- Loss to Michigan a little more troubling than ASU losing to Oregon.

6. WVU- Loss to South Florida looks worse and worse as Bulls tumble.

7. BC- Should have lost to VT and get beat by a just ok FSU team.

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This is good.

However, I don't think that Kansas will win out. They'll fall in either the game against Mizzou or the B12 Championship game.

If everything else in the OP is right, that would leave Oregon and LSU, the two best teams IMO.

Unfortunately, the most likely scenario is OSU vs. either Oregon or LSU. In that case, it's a coin flip. I would go with Oregon but it will probably be LSU.

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College football newbie here, what are the best bowls after the obvious championship game? Would be great if someone had a ranking.

Thanks

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College football newbie here, what are the best bowls after the obvious championship game? Would be great if someone had a ranking.

Thanks

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in what sense?

most prestigious?

Best teams?


in general

1. Rose--AT&T
t2. Sugar--Nokia
t2. Orange--FedEx
4. Fiesta--Tostitos
5. Cotton
6. Capital One-Citrus
t7. Outback Bowl-Hall of Fame
t7. Gator Bowl
t7. Peach Bowl
t7. Holiday Bowl

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You've got Cotton too high. It doesn't pay as much as Cap One and the stadium is run down. It's not prestigious anymore (SEC 2 goes to Cap 1, SEC 3/4 goes to Cotton) plus where would you rather go bowling, Orlando or Dallas? The Cap 1 is at 1pm EST leading into the Rose Bowl on ABC. The Cotton is at 11 (10am local) on ESPN I think.

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College football newbie here, what are the best bowls after the obvious championship game? Would be great if someone had a ranking.

Thanks

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in what sense?

most prestigious?

Best teams?


in general

1. Rose--AT&T
t2. Sugar--Nokia
t2. Orange--FedEx
4. Fiesta--Tostitos


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Because the top 4 are all BCS bowls, you could say they are all equal. If you go by conference affiliations, Orange is too high (ACC < SEC and ACC < Big 12), so I'd say Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange.

Rose is #1 because of the long history. Fiesta is odd because it was a minor bowl until the mid 80s. Then it all of a sudden became one of the 4 biggest bowls.

But in reality, the 3 non-Rose Bowl BCS bowls rotate their choices. So last year year, Sugar was the most prestigious because it got the first pick of teams. But this year, the Orange Bowl gets the first pick.

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College football newbie here, what are the best bowls after the obvious championship game? Would be great if someone had a ranking.

Thanks

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in what sense?

most prestigious?

Best teams?


in general

1. Rose--AT&T
t2. Sugar--Nokia
t2. Orange--FedEx
4. Fiesta--Tostitos
5. Cotton
6. Capital One-Citrus
t7. Outback Bowl-Hall of Fame
t7. Gator Bowl
t7. Peach Bowl
t7. Holiday Bowl

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Holiday Bowl too low. Even though it's not a Jan. Bowl, it pays more and lands better teams than your other 7th-rank bowls.