Stars 109 TPTK
 

Agree with this turn fold?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t75/t150
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t3270
Hero: t6195
MP1: t5770
MP2: t2390
MP3: t1855
CO: t8445
Button: t1775
SB: t3435
BB: t6205

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls t150 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t225)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t600</font>, 6 folds, BB calls t450 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t975)</font>, UTG calls t450 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1425)</font>.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t1875, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t1200</font>, BB calls t1200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t3075)</font>, UTG folds.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t4275, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets t2400</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: t2400 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: t4275

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

Is the BB donking the turn if he hit his flush?

I think KxJ[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], KxT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] are a pretty decent part of his range here (as are KQ and 333/888 of course)... I guess its borderline but I am paying off (shoving)

then again I have been out of the game for a little while so I am shaking off some rust

-Steve

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

Man I wish you had the Ah, this would make this hand a lot easier, hehe.
Well, I think that is a situation where you are either not that far ahead or very far behind. I have problem with putting him on a flush here though since you are most likely going to pot-commit yourself all-in anyways on the turn if he checks.
I think this is either a small flush, KQ, set, or within Cornell Fiji.

So we are looking at basically HOPING he has KJ[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or KT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. But we have a K so that is less likely. So I think we are looking at a situation where we are going to be behind to often. You still have 25bb or so.

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

If he's decent or better, yes. If he's been proven to suck somehow, no.

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

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If he's decent or better, yes. If he's been proven to suck somehow, no.

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I agree with this. Since there are no reads I assume suckage though so...

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

Doesn't the preflop action mean he sucks?

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

Oh, and yes good fold.

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

READS?

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READS?

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To many tables/to hungover.

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

Anyone think it's reasonable to add A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q , A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J , A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T to villain's range ?

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

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Anyone think it's reasonable to add A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T to villain's range ?

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If you mean just the Ah then no, not even remotely close. If you mean the nut flush draw on the flop then sure.

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

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Anyone think it's reasonable to add A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q , A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J , A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T to villain's range ?

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This isnt omahahahahahahaha. Ppl dont call flops with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to try and push someone off the non-nut flush or something like that.

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

I do have a bit of a problem seeing a flop call with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q , A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J , A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T since it's 1/5 stack, K included in big part of hero's range, etc. Calling 3-to-the-nut-flush vs an obvious c-bet is not totally unlikely though.

I have no problem seeing a turn semi-bluff, especially if A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q. Villain would see a couple of hearts as a tiny part of hero's range and would know that semi-bluff has added value b/c also reps having hit flush.

It's easy for 3rd of a suit to cause too much paralysis.

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

But no one ever does that. We're supposed to be giving advice based on people's tendencies with no reads on a specific player. There's nothing that would lead OP to believe they would call the flop with just the Ah. And even if they would, that's such a ridiculously small percent of opponent's range that it's not important when you're coming up with an optimal line.

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

Does your opinion change if all the stack sizes here are doubled ? Tripled ? Quadrupled ?

The big reason I think calling with 3-to-nut-flush + 3-to-broadway is unlikely here is that it costs an excessive amount of M.

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The big reason I think calling with 3-to-nut-flush + 3-to-broadway is unlikely here is that it costs an excessive amount of M.

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the big reason I think it's unlikely is because AQ on a K83 board is not a very good hand

Re: Stars 109 TPTK
 

I don't like folding here. I think calling and re-evaluating OTT is a decent play. snap folding here is a bit too weak.