$15/$30 6 Max
 

most likely misplayed on all streets. no reads on any players, so i'm assuming they are average players. raise the river to promote my marginal 2 way hand?

$15/$30 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$4554.50</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$1191.00</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$2444.00</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$657.00</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$600.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($45, 5 players) Hero is BB 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls $30, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $60</font>, BTN calls $60, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $30, UTG calls $30

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($255, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $30</font>, BTN calls $30, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $60</font>, <font color="#777777">UTG folds</font>, CO calls $30, BTN calls $30

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($435, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($435, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">BTN bets $60</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $120</font>, <font color="#777777">CO folds</font>, BTN calls $60

Final Pot: $675

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

Hi Dave - I think you should bet the turn. The 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] isn't likely to help anybody much for high, so that if nobody had the straight after the flop (as it seems), then probably nobody made a straight after the turn.

If you bet the turn, you somewhat disguise your top two pairs. You might also knock out a better low and a diamond draw.

Buzz

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

I'm not crazy about the river raise here, I'd like a few notches better in both directions given the pot size. It seems to easy for button to have you slightly beat both ways.

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

I prefer just to fold the flop.

As played, I love your river line. I think it's the best way to make any money here.

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

i think the reason this hand hasn't gotten many responses is because its a very difficult hand and tbh i'm still considering it before i respond, but im debating every street, especially the turn check which i think i hate given your flop/river line.

still thinking about it though.


-tex

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

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I prefer just to fold the flop.

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that sounds a little crazy to me... looking back at the hand my turn check is especially bad though

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

The river line is really weird. It seems like you pussed out at first, but then backed into the promo idea when button bet instead of CO. I think it's hard for CO to think button has a good low after he checks the turn last to act. Your river CR has to look fishy because you can't reasonably expect either player to bet after the turn action.

So are you trying to get CO to fold something like A4? or what?

I'm thoroughly confused.

EDIT: woohoo carpal tunnel. it only took me 3 years.

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

My ability to hand read at this game sucks bad...can someone please give me a hand range or likely hand for button.

If he has an A2 he should bet the turn. A made straight should be betting the turn.

I can only understand the turn check if he has something like a set or maybe A365 or something?

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

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I prefer just to fold the flop.

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that sounds a little crazy to me... looking back at the hand my turn check is especially bad though

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Why is it so crazy? Just about any card on the turn puts you in a tough spot where you can lose quite a bit especially with people squeeze jamming with lows trying to be heroes.

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

Quick question for those advocating a turn bet....are you calling a raise and c/c the river? Folding to any turn heat? c/f the river? Appreciate it.

I actually like the way this hand was played.

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

this hand is weird and like tex said, i didn't answer at first cuz i'm confused.

but i'll start with the river. i dont' like it. you can get the overcall from MP for high.

your line works when:

MP has nothing, aka live ace for low and button is just FOS for high.

or

you put MP on a better low and you're trying to bump out MP for the low. this scenario doesn't work because you checked turn so your hand range is now narrowed way down. if you semibluffed with A2xx, you would keep firing on the turn 100%. but as for handranges, i also think you're actually ahead of MP's low range because he checked a low board TWICE after raising preflop and betting the flop. who the hell does that in short-handed game?

or

you're trying to knock out MP who you think is beating you for high. this scenario doesn't work because you checked turn and therefore your high must be poo. so i'd look you up. luckily your two pair isn't that low in the range so you might even get bottom two to call.

as for the button, it's weird that he doesn't bet the turn with a low and yet fire the river on a Queen. that Q doesn't change much for high hands other than queens up/set so is he value betting queens up or A4/32low? either way, it's a one way hand he's betting.

btw, i made a river play like this on a hand i posted previously but the turn play was much different cuz i had the betting lead, therefore allowing me to c/r.


all in all, the turn check reduces your hand range to the point that a successful river c/r to get a better one way hand is close to impossible.

but, i can actually see you getting half of this pot out of sheer curisoity by sombody who got very confused and paid off with a hand they would normally muck.

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

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Quick question for those advocating a turn bet....are you calling a raise and c/c the river? Folding to any turn heat? c/f the river? Appreciate it.

[/ QUOTE ]Hi Jlocdog - I don't think there will be a turn raise.

With only three players left, Hero, CO and Button, if Hero bets and CO raises, Button will find it tough to continue. If that does happen and Button folds, I'd call the raise and then check/call the river. But I don't think that will happen.

I'm going to leave here shortly. As I'm driving down the hill, I may pass someone coming in the opposite direction. I'm going to keep going if that happens, keeping to the right hand side of the road, not pulling over and stopping, afraid the other driver will pull over on my side of the road and ram me, head-on. I don't think that will happen. It's not impossible, but I don't think it will happen. Similarly, if Hero bets, and CO just calls, I don't think Button will raise.

Could Button raise, then Hero call, then CO make a limp-re-raise? Yes it's possible, but I don't think it will happen that way. So I'm not going to fold to the raise.

If CO calls and button raises, then I'm not sure. Will CO call a double big bet? If I don't think so, I re-raise. If I do think so, I simply going to call the raise.

One last possibility is if Hero bets, CO folds, and Button raises. In that ugly case, I bite the bullet and call, and then check/call the last betting round.

But considering the action up to this point, I don't think Hero will get raised if he bets. And he might take down the whole pot with a bet on the turn, or at least knock out one opponent who would otherwise have beaten him for all or part of the pot.

I'd bet the turn with no intention of folding to a raise.

I see posters advocating betting and then folding to a raise, and although I think that might be the way to play if you're in a place where you'll leave after the current hand and never see these particular opponents again, I think that line of play is exploitable and thus very short sighted if you're going to continue to play with any of these opponents or on-lookers.

Buzz

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

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...but, i can actually see you getting half of this pot...

[/ QUOTE ]Hi Howzit - It's a fixed-limit game, not pot-limit.

Buzz

Edit: Dumb of me. It's my eyes. Today they're giving me fuzzy images. I read "getting" as "betting." Sorry. I'd take it back and just delete this post if ProDonkey had not already pointed out my error.

Buzz

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

it's h/l though, so the pot gets split

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

Dave,

Although its a bizarre line, I actually like it. The problem with betting out on the turn is that it probably makes you feel compelled to bet the river. A lot would depend on game dynamics. On Stars, for example, you're probably not getting anyone out no matter what you do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

gl

bdd

Re: $15/$30 6 Max
 

I dislike PF, but meh. bet the turn for sure! maybe a c/r? nh sir.