Is c-betting extracting max???
 

Assume standard Stars Nits.
Max value lines please..

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($530.45)
Button ($358.95)
SB ($392)
Hero ($395.60)
UTG ($432.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $48</font>, MP calls $28.

Flop: ($98) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>


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MP ($376.10)
CO ($394)
Button ($665.20)
SB ($458)
BB ($317.70)
Hero ($614.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls $14, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($36) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>


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BB ($515.10)
UTG ($520)
MP ($542.60)
CO ($401)
Button ($415.50)
Hero ($622.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $20.

Flop: ($52) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>

Hands 1 and 2: I have the deck crippled
Hand 3: He's folding 90% of his hands (His range is small PP's, rare SC's)

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

check 1
prob bet 2, 3

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

1. I think bet flop check turn. I think he floats with most pocket pairs on the flop.

2 and 3 bet bet bet

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

1. I like 60ish on the flop, and then check the turn behind...

2. You have to bet here, around pot-size. There are straight draws, gutshots, JJ-99, Qx.... just bet and hope for a call.

3. Given your read, can you think of a way to get value on the turn if you check the flop through?

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

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3. Given your read, can you think of a way to get value on the turn if you check the flop through?

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I think if either of us improves I can extract a bet or two.

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

i think it depends a lot on what type of thinking levels the villain is on in each hand. example, he is looking to make big calls down, then lead with kings full on all 3 streets. or if he is one to bluff if you check to him, then check call. simple concept but worth stating.

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

Hand 1, more preflop. Hand 3, less preflop usually. As played I just bet most of the time on all boards.

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

Bet, bet &amp; bet...

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Hand 3: He's folding 90% of his hands (His range is small PP's, rare SC's)

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Nice villain!

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

The only one I would ever check is hand 1. Also, do you 3 bet that small preflop with a lot of hands? Seems kind of strange. I think not betting the last 2 hands is pretty garbage though vs these passive players. What makes you think you can get any more money out of these guys if you check the flop?

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

I should add that while I would check hand 1 vs some people, I would never do it here since he peels a lot of PPs when you Cbet the flop. I would check the turn if he calls, and obviously bet the river if he checks back the turn.

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I should add that while I would check hand 1 vs some people, I would never do it here since he peels a lot of PPs when you Cbet the flop. I would check the turn if he calls, and obviously bet the river if he checks back the turn.

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Jut out of curiosity are we c/c or c/r turn?

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

These are all bets for different reasons. First one is because there is a huge gap between the top and bottom card amking it more plausible for him to be calling the flop with a lot of mid pairs. 2nd hand their are multiple straight draws plus he can have a lot of mid pairs to peel with plus the occasionaly mid and bottom set or bottom 2pr. 3rd hand, whenever u have middle or bottom set, you have to just hope and pray that the guy hit top pair and value town him

Also we are kinda just looking at these in a vacuum. From a game theoretical/balance stand point You should be betting these almost always as well no matter what you hold

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

I don't mind checking hand two sometimes. Lots of good cards can fall to give you a lot of action, on the turn.

Typically, I'm betting all of these, though:
1) $50ish
I like a small bet to ensure he floats all those pairs, and it also might make him bluff. Also, it's consistant with what I'd bet here with whatever.
2) $30
I kinda want to make it smaller, but this is a good number to get stacks in if he keeps calling.
3) $35-$40
Good number to get stacks in, and there just aren't many second best hands he can improve to here, and this guy doesn't sound like one to bluff. Same goes for hand one.

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

I usually bet all 3. I check hand 1 maybe 20% and check hands 2 and 3 probably 10%.

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

hand one is such a sick board for him to float on, enough so to make me bet every time

bet the others too

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

are you my roomate

my roomate can't beat one dollar and twenty five cent sit n goes and everytime he flops a set he checks

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

against nits checking may be best on all three

against real ppl it depends on a lot more stuff- for instance if im playing an aggressive strong player and had been cbetting often recently i would always bet hand 1

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

All 3 Villans folded to my C-bet.

Re: Is c-betting extracting max???
 

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All 3 Villans folded to my C-bet.

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then clearly you should have checked