Stars 100. Overpair on paired board.
 

3rd hand in the tournament.

BB (t1500)
Hero (t1510)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls t40.

Flop: (t130) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t80</font>, BB calls t80.

Turn: (t290) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Hero? Bet or check for pot control? If we bet, how much?

No reads obviously since tourney has just started.

Re: Stars 100. Overpair on paired board.
 

Bet for value from all pocket pairs. Around 190

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Ok. Betting the turn is fairly standard.
Since Rupert was at the same table he knows that hero bets 200. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Villain check raises to 500. Hero?

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I would bet 210 and fold to a raise.

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i call his reraise, and reeval river

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If villain is tricky in the least bit, you are betting for value/induce a bluff, so you really have to call down. Against most stars players I would fold the turn though

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unless my intention is to fold to a raise I would check behind but def thinkin bet/folding is the best thing vs an unkown. I would be more inclined to check behind with QQ (and maybe JJ) and most prolly bet (with intention to call or push over a raise) with AA or KK.

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I didn't know I was at the table when I posted lol. I agree that bet/fold is good vs unknown. I think that raise amount is pretty scary as well.

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with only a 1500 stack bet/folding seems gross. I would bet/shove this turn

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Does anyone see value in checking behind, and then calling all river bets and or betting the river if checked to again?

I feel like bet folding is disgusting and allows you to get bluffed off the hand which most likely has a ton of equity in the pot.

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What hands bluff here that wouldn't have raised the flop or folded the turn?? Also don't you think you are missing loads of value from PPs and spewing when a flush card hits the river after you checked?

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I didn't see the two hearts. But to be honest, what can you put the villian on assuming he isn't bluffing. A 7 or a flushdraw, I think not raising with a pair is terrible here on the villians part if he has a pair. So I think you have to assign the percentages here on what you think he has-flushdraw,7,bluff and go forward. You have a hand that may be good, but is vulnerable, so I'd just rather keep the pot small.

If I were villian and bluffing, and I put you on a range and given on if I felt you were capable of laying down an over pair. I would assume I Check call flop, lead river. Or make some sort of overly large bet when a flush card comes.

For the record, the post never made it to the turn.

And also, I'd don't think betting is missing value from pps, because you don't know if your paying someone off or protecting your hand. That looks like a spew to me. I'd rather protect my stack and keep the pot small.

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For the record, the post never made it to the turn.


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As stated on the third post... hero bets 200 on the turn and villain raises to 500.

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I didn't see the two hearts. But to be honest, what can you put the villian on assuming he isn't bluffing. A 7 or a flushdraw, I think not raising with a pair is terrible here on the villians part if he has a pair. So I think you have to assign the percentages here on what you think he has-flushdraw,7,bluff and go forward.


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During the hand I thought that villains range is 7x, flush/straight draw, smallish pocket pair or bluff. Agaist this range I wasn't willing to give up the pot on the turn since the board is so good for a bluff. I called his turn raise planning to re-eval river.

River is 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif. So board showing 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif villain instapushes and hero folds. Afterwards villain claimed he had A7. I'm not sure if I believe that since that river card should slow villain down unless he has the flush himself.

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Check behind, bet if checked to, call a river bet.

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villain instapushes and hero folds. Afterwards villain claimed he had A7. I'm not sure if I believe that since that river card should slow villain down unless he has the flush himself.

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there's 1290 in the pot and he has 860 left, no space to slow down because of the flush card if he has trips.

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Check behind, bet if checked to, call a river bet.

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If BB is any good, i agree with Gobbo.

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I don't understand why people would bet and fold to a raise when you just as easily check and call a river bet (or bet the river) and see a showdown with a showdownable hand.

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villain instapushes and hero folds. Afterwards villain claimed he had A7. I'm not sure if I believe that since that river card should slow villain down unless he has the flush himself.

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there's 1290 in the pot and he has 860 left, no space to slow down because of the flush card if he has trips.

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But you do understand that by pushing the river he turns his hand into a bluff? Most competent players don't call that riverbet without hand that beats trips.

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Check behind, bet if checked to, call a river bet.

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If BB is any good, i agree with Gobbo.

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Can you please explain why? I totally agree with this if the board was like TT7 and hero has JJ etc., but in this case hero is most likely ahead and villains range is mostly smaller pocket pairs or flush draws. I don't see why hero should give a free card.

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I don't understand why people would bet and fold to a raise when you just as easily check and call a river bet (or bet the river) and see a showdown with a showdownable hand.

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avoid givin a free card to a hand like one over and a flush draw and avoid beeing bluffed out on the river by if (or if not with a big bet) a scarecard hits.

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villain instapushes and hero folds. Afterwards villain claimed he had A7. I'm not sure if I believe that since that river card should slow villain down unless he has the flush himself.

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there's 1290 in the pot and he has 860 left, no space to slow down because of the flush card if he has trips.

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But you do understand that by pushing the river he turns his hand into a bluff? Most competent players don't call that riverbet without hand that beats trips.

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didnt say he have to push, but its no room for something like bet/folding. and I think many players, competent or not, would call this river with a hand like QQ if he decides do call turn. also, he might want the riverbet look like a bluff on the scary heart. his play def make sense with A7.