PLO600, marginal semibluff??
 

Reads:

Shorty: Pushing a wide range
Villan: TAG ABC plo player so far I have seen... Nothing special
Hero: LAG, rais and reraising alot, but havent been caught in any big bluffs...


Game # 674780145 - Omaha High Pot Limit EUR 3/6 - Table "Isafjordur"

Players(max 6):
ERREVI (EUR 537.00 in seat 1)
smakko (EUR 1,236.10 in seat 3)
Achille14 (EUR 316.20 in seat 4)
Hero (EUR 1,386.68 in seat 5)
freonys* (EUR 142.50 in seat 6)

Dealer: smakko
Small Blind: Achille14 (3.00)
Big Blind: Hero (6.00)

Hero was dealt: A[c] - T[d] - 4[s] - Q[s]

freonys* Raise (21.00)
ERREVI Fold
smakko Call (21.00)
Achille14 Call (18.00)
Hero Call (15.00)

Flop 3[h] - 2[h] - T[s]

Achille14 Check
Hero Check
freonys* Bet (84.00)
smakko Call (84.00)
Achille14 Fold
Hero Raise (420.00)
freonys* All-In (37.50)
smakko Call (336.00)

Turn 3[h] - 2[h] - T[s] - 3[c]

Hero All-In (945.68)???

Re: PLO600, marginal semibluff??
 

Holy Jesus. That 4th street push looks like somebody just missed a big draw to me. Does somebody with tens full play that same way? I'm assuming that's what you are trying to represent on the flop, seeing as it's pretty draw heavy. If I have a pair in my hand over 10's, instant call.

Re: PLO600, marginal semibluff??
 

what network are u playing? the dollar/euro rate sucks so much nowadays and the only site with euro account is ipoker/titan.

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I play 22,33,23,T3, same way?

Think ill bet a little less with TT maybe, but not sure


I play b2b, btw

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First off Im not even playing this hand preflop. I don't like the move here. I just don't like the flop c/r with the aggressor being so short. And on the turn when hes all in and you pick up, MAYBE some more outs I'd check it and look to hopefully see a free river. You could be semibluffing at a pot that you can't even win.

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Can you please explain why did you raise the flop?

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looks mad to me.
smakko could have a flush draw, but he could easily put you on one too so I dont think you have much fold equity.

Tou have been caught, time to give up.

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@flipflop

I pretty sure that I often is ahead of the shortstack, and when villan only calls is there a VERY big chance of him having some sort og kombidraw.

Then I come over the top to isolate the shortstack because im pretty sure villan wont call, he calls to my surprise.

Im pretty sure that villan will push TTP or set on the flop because he is able to get it all in. Thats why I think I have ALOT of FE.. And why should he put me on a draw, sure I can play a draw like this but 2pair+ as well...

@badbenOni

So he puts me on a draw and calls with his draw as well on a paired board for a pot bet on turn?? Sure..


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"If I have a pair in my hand over 10's, instant call."

So he calls the flop CR with what? QQA8 with FD? Yeah sure u instant call with a overpair, lol

Re: PLO600, marginal semibluff??
 

Preflop's marginal, but not terrible. I'd probably fold it though. On the flop, you've got options. I'd usually lead, but I'm not sure it's the right move. What do you mean by a "wide range" exactly? If you think he'll push any four here after raising preflop, I think your check/reevaluate line is good, but if you think he'll ever check behind after missing, I think a lead's probably better.

After you check and get the call from an "ABC tag", the raise is perfect. This is going to be a draw ~90% of the time and your AT is likely in the lead. You could even knock him out if his draw's weak enough. Obviously, you're going to follow up on the turn, but unless villain knows you, I think a 1/2 pot bet gets more FE than a PSB does since it looks less likely to be a bluff. Most of the time, villain will just have a draw and will fold anyway, but occasionally, he'll show up with something like AJJ with the NFD and will look you up on a PSB where he would have folded otherwise.

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No way im folding PF

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Preflop's marginal, but not terrible. I'd probably fold it though. On the flop, you've got options. I'd usually lead, but I'm not sure it's the right move. What do you mean by a "wide range" exactly? If you think he'll push any four here after raising preflop, I think your check/reevaluate line is good, but if you think he'll ever check behind after missing, I think a lead's probably better.

After you check and get the call from an "ABC tag", the raise is perfect. This is going to be a draw ~90% of the time and your AT is likely in the lead. You could even knock him out if his draw's weak enough. Obviously, you're going to follow up on the turn, but unless villain knows you, I think a 1/2 pot bet gets more FE than a PSB does since it looks less likely to be a bluff. Most of the time, villain will just have a draw and will fold anyway, but occasionally, he'll show up with something like AJJ with the NFD and will look you up on a PSB where he would have folded otherwise.

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I agree with everything you said here, flop is ok and 1/2 pot bet should do the trick on the turn, and preflop is probably a fold OOP without the ace being suited.

Re: PLO600, marginal semibluff??
 

I agree on a 1/2 potbet is better... Thought of it after I bet and got a little angry

Thx for the comment, iggymcfly

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Btw. what is it with folks in here... Damn nits... I'll play JK82 with J2 in a suit to a raise OOP or even reraise it... This is like hold em 3 years back , ya'll nits :P

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Btw. what is it with folks in here... Damn nits... I'll play JK82 with J2 in a suit to a raise OOP or even reraise it... This is like hold em 3 years back , ya'll nits :P

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I play a lot of hands, but I have to think playing garbage like that to a raise in the blinds is a leak, and a pretty sizeable one at that.

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Btw. what is it with folks in here... Damn nits... I'll play JK82 with J2 in a suit to a raise OOP or even reraise it... This is like hold em 3 years back , ya'll nits :P

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Please post BB graph after 15,000 hands.

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@crashwhips

Gotta mix it up, or else my range is to small OOP imo

@Chucky

Dont know witch graf u want, I am a PT noob... Got this pic over 15k hands

http://imajr.com/Original.aspx?Id=stats_418112

Re: PLO600, marginal semibluff??
 

Alex, on which b2b site do you play Omaha?

I`m looking for a site where I can play with euros and b2b doesn`t look bad to me.

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What unit is the Y axis?

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@FlipFlop

24hpoker, the nice thing is they have boss media as well..

@Chucky

??? I think it shows how much ive won/lost in diffrent pos???

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@chucky

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Gotta mix it up, or else my range is to small OOP imo

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Playing a big range oop seems like huge spew to me.

And wth "range" ? oh man I wish I could put people on hands in omaha based on preflop.
Not much deception calling a raise oop with KJ -> 8 2 <-
"HAH I bet he cant put me on KJ82, but will put me on hand like KJT9 instead!"

Re: PLO600, marginal semibluff??
 

Calling raises OOP with a hand that is going to struggle to hit a flop we like is pretty spewy imo.

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I prefer to reraise if im playing a hand OOP...

But under 5/10 I feel I have a HUGE postflop edge, as they play so damn easy, its like 1/10 are tricky and playing proper PLO

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I quite like this.