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How I Made 250k this year and have nothing to show for it.
Before i start let me make a few things clear.
1) Im not looking for a stake. 2) I am posting under a new nic. Some of you here know who i am and i prefer to remain anon atm. 3) Post is intended to warn you guys about how quickly things can go pear shaped. 4) I just really need to let it out. So heres my story. Ive had just about the most incredible 12 months of my life. All up ive made 250k+ in poker, yet right now my accounts are empty and well, i have 2 bucks to my name. My upswing started late last year when i final tabled two smallish live events for 10k+. Before this i was a small time grinder mainly playing lower limits online. From this 10k, i started regularly cashing in weekly tourneys online and well, the money rolled in. Around late January, i had made close to 30k, i had a bigger roll than i ever had. So, i thought it was time to start helping out some of my friends who like me were small time grinders who i felt just needed a little help getting started. Initially it started at 1 but before i knew it i was staking 8 people online.(some of those guys left to play on their own after building a big enough roll. i ended up taking other ppl on) In those first few months all was jolly, i continued my monster upswing winning another 250k between Feb - July. And all my stakers were more than holding their own online. Heres where it all went wrong. I started lending money out to players and friends, i let them play with my accounts online. Yes stupid i know, but i just cant say no to people. And really, at the time my thinking was, "People have helped me out in the past, so its time for me to start helping others when they're in need." Around late July, my players started to run bad. Unbelieveably, all at the same time.(Btw they are mostly cash game players). Now i should have cut them off after the first couple of bad weeks, but i just didnt know how to tell them, 'sorry man cant help ya out'. My roll was sufficient to stake 1 maybe 2 players but was never enough to stake 8. I knew that, but well i guess im just a dumb knobjockey. In 6 weeks my guys lost 40k. I myself, probably lost another 20k, playing stressed.... Also, by this stage, debts owing to me had balloned out to more than 60k. Finally after one total disastrous 20k loss around late september, i went bust. No more money online, no cash anywhere, just lots of debts owing to me. I tried to collect these debts but alas was given the runaround by the ppl involved. I tried approaching friends for loans(people btw whom i had helped get started, helped build bigger rolls), many turned their backs on me. Why? Well i guess some people only want to hang around you when things are going well, and bail at the first sign of trouble. You must also be wondering, well what happened to the other 150k that you made. Well, winning big also meant spending big. I flew friends out for holidays, we had wild nights out at strippers, and me myself must have spent close to 30k on whores. Well yes im going to fess up to it. Its not that i didnt have to opportunity to date normal chicks, but at the time i just didnt have the time nor was i in the right state of mind to be in a relationship. I was having way too much fun. The only good thing id say i did with my money was i did give 10k away to charity and 20k to help out my family. That helps me to sleep better at night. Where to now from here? I honestly dont know. I mean, i am confident enough in my own abilities to get myself back on track. But mentally, i am shot. I feel so hurt and so alone right now. So many people have abandoned me. Probably close to 2/3rds of the ppl i hang around with. Yes i know, i probably didnt choose my friend well. But really right now i just feel so betrayed and cant be bothered going on. Ive helped out so many people, significantly changing at least 10 lives this year yet, where is that support when i need it the most. I just feel so distressed at life right now and i mean, what the [censored] is the point of it all when your friends arent there for you at your time of need? Im not begging for money from them, hell no!(they should offer considering i offered them) So please dont think my purpose in writing this whole rant is to gain pity. I just feel so used. The 60k+ owing to me well, that can pretty much be written off, these guys jut avoid me like the plague. The only things keeping me sane right now are a handful of close friends who are pillars of support and my family. Sometimes i just want to end it all but thoughts of them keep me from doing anything crazy. Anyway once again thanks for letting me rant. Hopefully i can start again somehow and do a better job of managing my money next time around. |
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I don't know anyone who says knobjockey hmm I wonder who this is. Anywho, gl w/ your future en devours. Oh, and don't trust anybody.
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tl;dr
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I'm really curious who you are.
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Sad story. Bodoh, I will be your friend.
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Man, this was rough. Good luck in the future.
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Sheets?
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If the amount was like 800K I'd vote Grim.
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Love the stripper part (hope you got good value)!
As a pauper in the receiving end of an unexpected and substantial wind fall of money I once managed to blow most of it on plane tickets, upscale restaurants, lush vacations, brand name clothing & sex. I always think back on the sex as the most satisfying of my expenditures [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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I know this isn't going to make you feel better now, but hopefully you've now learned:
1. 250K really isn't all that much money, let alone 30K. 2. that it's very important to know the difference between giving money to friends and investing it.* *You thought or hoped your friends were good players who would be responsible and help you win more money. Plus, they probably thought you were pretty cool sharing all your new-found wealth with them. They took your money for granted, which is human nature. Probably played at too high limits, played drunk, ran bad, etc., and didn't have to manage their roll because it was yours after all. Not a great 100th post, but hope it makes sense. Be smarter next time. |
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Sounds like a sickening story mate, it is very honourable that you gave over $30k to charity and family.
I can't give any advice from where to go here unfortunately, maybe stay away from poker altogether? You really don't want to be under pressure to win back the $60k you are owed surely, that might break you in the end. btw I'm guessing bakes lol [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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Sad... Hope you can recover. I'm kind of the same personality as you are, the one who can't say no to people. Knowing this, I would never let anyone else but me play for my money, so I guess being a backer is not for me. But if I was going to back someone, it'd be someone I knew very well, one I could monitor closely and make him move down when losses are escalating. When backing, shouldn't you make up rules for your backees to follow, i.e. you should control what levels they play and when to move down/move up? Just curious how all this backing works behind the scenes.
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Bodoh,
Are you who i think you are? If so, you should let me coach you and get you staked, i have the time and the connections. If you're who i think, you know where to find me. |
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Bodoh, Are you who i think you are? If so, you should let me coach you and get you staked, i have the time and the connections. If you're who i think, you know where to find me. [/ QUOTE ] What about if he isn't the one who you thought he was and you just got his hopes up. Damn you Bond! |
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Bodoh, Are you who i think you are? If so, you should let me coach you and get you staked, i have the time and the connections. If you're who i think, you know where to find me. [/ QUOTE ] THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE AND WE LET EM OFF THE HOOK!!! |
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1. 250K really isn't all that much money, let alone 30K. [/ QUOTE ] That's in the eye of the beholder and depends on your style of living. If you gave a large number of younger responsible people $250k each to invest (properly!), they could all retire early with ease. That's pretty significant IMO. |
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I recommend taking some of your fpps (assuming you're on Stars) and buying Ace on the River. It pretty much covers all of this... And GL
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Thanks for the positive comments guys.
Bond, yeah you got me buddy. Ill take you up on your offer as soon as I get off my sorry ass. Im still busy sitting around feeling sorry for myself. FYI guys Bond was responsible for getting me to take poker seriously. He has always been there when i needed him. One other thing, when staking people 100%, FFS make sure you get more than 20% return. |
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For the record - not me.
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If you gave a large number of younger responsible people $250k each to invest (properly!), they could all retire early with ease. [/ QUOTE ] LOL! You seem to have forgotten a few things ... Like taxes, both from the original $250k earned within a year, and - since you cannot stove $250 away in a tax deferred IRA within one year - from the interest/distributions on the retirement account. Yeah, they can retire early with ease ... if they continue to live with their parents! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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he didn't say retire that second, he said retire EARLY...
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Best of luck with getting things back on track. Is $60k really written off that easily just cos guys are avoiding you?
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If someone gave me 250k, I'd buy a house.
Why? Because it's one of the best investments you can make, and no matter what turn of events of bad luck, bad economy, or lack of job, you'll have a home. I'd be a very boring investor. |
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If someone gave me $250k, after paying around 50% in taxes I'd buy a car, and I might just have enough left to pay for gas and parking garage for a year here in Manhattan.
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you know what man i think that good things happen to good people, and in your case I hope something good ends up happening becuase it seems as thugh you did a lot honorable things and helped out a lot of people.
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If someone gave me 250k, I'd buy a house. Why? Because it's one of the best investments you can make, and no matter what turn of events of bad luck, bad economy, or lack of job, you'll have a home. I'd be a very boring investor. [/ QUOTE ] Hopefully, you'd be able to pay the taxes, insurance, etc. on a $250k house. Otherwise, you wouldn't have it long. I highly recommend all these young guys take a look at a book called "The Richest Man in Babylon" by George Clason. Here's a hint. It was written in 1926, and is still ranked at #549 on Amazon sales. You need to learn to hold onto some of this $ you're earning now, so you can play when you want to, not because you have to. |
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it would be very possible for a 25 yr old to retire on 250k tax free in many parts of the world... obviously not manhattan
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Time for some sopranos [censored]
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[ QUOTE ] 1. 250K really isn't all that much money, let alone 30K. [/ QUOTE ] That's in the eye of the beholder and depends on your style of living. If you gave a large number of younger responsible people $250k each to invest (properly!), they could all retire early with ease. That's pretty significant IMO. [/ QUOTE ] We're in agreement. Certainly it can be turned into a lot of money with good decisions, but not enough to light it on fire as OP realizes he did. |
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THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE AND WE LET EM OFF THE HOOK!!! [/ QUOTE ] nice |
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FYI guys Bond was responsible for getting me to take poker seriously. He has always been there when i needed him. [/ QUOTE ] Does anyone have anything bad to say about Bond? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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[ QUOTE ] FYI guys Bond was responsible for getting me to take poker seriously. He has always been there when i needed him. [/ QUOTE ] Does anyone have anything bad to say about Bond? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] He sucked out on me like 2348293 times last night in the same tournament, does that count? |
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[ QUOTE ] FYI guys Bond was responsible for getting me to take poker seriously. He has always been there when i needed him. [/ QUOTE ] Does anyone have anything bad to say about Bond? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] He's the worst MTT mod from Wisconsin. |
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One other thing, when staking people 100%, FFS make sure you get more than 20% return. [/ QUOTE ] [censored] |
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i'm pretty sure the op is deeb or adam junglen.
edit: forget deeb.. it's deebspellcheck |
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OP is Thayer
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if it's not deeb or aj then it is definitely bond multi-leveling all of us
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i'm pretty sure the op is deeb or adam junglen. [/ QUOTE ] LOL @ deeb loaning tons of money to friends, more like UB Blackjack! |
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Reading this story hurts me. I feel really bad from the OP no matter who it is.
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