3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

Villain is a donkey, fairly aggro. I have only been at the table a couple of orbits so no great read. He checked back the turn pretty fast and it looks to me like he's playing for showdown. Should I try for value against AK/AJ? cc, cf, bc and bf all seem to have merits, depending on bet size.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1920.00
Button: $301.00
Hero: $3364.00
BB: $3289.70

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $60</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $140</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($280, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($280, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($280, 2 players)
Hero ...

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

Usually c/f, although there's nothing really wrong with a small b/f.

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

Why does every post I make about thin value bets get ignored?

btw Hero bet $125. Like/dislike the underbet?

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

Looks good, especially with your turn read. Definitely value from smaller pairs or AK/AJ. This also serves as a cheap showdown bet vs AT, 99, 88.

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

kinda hate your bet size since you're like never underbetting as a bluff here, and the number of hands you bet 125/call a raise with that get there like this are, well, slim.

your basically just turning your hand face up, and even if he's not good enough to bluff-raise you here, he's probably conscious enough to not call with AJ here.

so bet 170

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

How do you think he percieves your calling range after his 3bet pf? I don't see him calling AK/AJ at all tbh unless you have some history. I think its too thin in general.

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

i'd bet a normal amount here. but yes, clear vb

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kinda hate your bet size since you're like never underbetting as a bluff here, and the number of hands you bet 125/call a raise with that get there like this are, well, slim.

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Well I guess I'm not betting this amount as a bluff, but villain is a random donkey and we've never played before. You think he knows that?

Obviously I wasn't planning on bet folding. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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How do you think he percieves your calling range after his 3bet pf?

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He's a fish, he doesn't know what a hand range is.

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

i like the bet but its pretty player dependent

based on the timing and your description i would say this is a good spot for it

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

type in "i bet u cant call my push w/ ace high" then shove

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

balancing is really not important, who cares if you only bet small with a hand like this? betting big is probably bad

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If he is fairly aggro i usually think c/c is bether.

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id bet slightly bigger but its alright

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You're all insane

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You're all insane

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i think c/f and bet fold are the best options. Depends what his raising frequentcy is here if we lead into him. against most just c/f but i can see why people would bet here. need more info imo

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If he is fairly aggro i usually think c/c is bether.

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if he is fairly aggro, he bets the turn.

i always forget to read villain descriptions but w/e this would be clear valuetown against a tag. bad players (paradoxically) aren't good enough to call with ace high here a lot tbh

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

225. You're a bit deep, and I think fish plays A-high and smaller pairs this way for pot control/cause he's a fish. And he'll call the river.

Re: 3rd button in rr pot, value?
 

...well? happy ending?