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LuckyMux 11-01-2007 03:21 PM

Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
From http://www.bluffmagazine.com/blog/bl...0&bcatid=4

11/1/2007 12:33:52 PM EST
My Mood: Chillin...
quick blog to clear some things up...
This will be a quick blog today, as I have a very packed schedule with quite a few meetings. I think it’s important though, to again, clear up some confusion. Specifically, I want to address two points that have legitimately been raised. One, why haven’t I severed all ties with Absolute Poker? Two, why do I feel Todd Witteles has acted improperly? This second question, I have to be brief about for reasons that will be obvious down the road. Also, I want to make a brief point about the hand histories from my February 15, 2006 session that has been called into question.

I have not severed all ties with AP, despite numerous requests for me to do so, for one main reason. The investigation is not complete. There is still a tremendous amount of information to be learned about what happened. Such as, how it happened, when did it start, how long did it last, who was involved, who knew about it, and how pervasive was it? As I write this, there are third party independent auditors travelling to AP’s world-wide offices looking into the Company’s practices, procedures, databases and systems. They are accumulating tons of data about every aspect of AP’s operation. Doesn’t it seem reasonable to wait until the investigation is complete before I make this decision?

Would it not be hypocritical of me to ask the public to wait until all the evidence is in regarding my own involvement before forming an opinion, but at the same time, quickly conclude that AP is guilty of such egregious conduct that I must sever all ties with the Company before the investigation is complete? Wouldn’t I be doing the same thing that some are doing to me? That is, unfairly jumping to conclusions without all the facts?

For clarity’s sake, I will go on the record again regarding my involvement. I never engaged in this malfeasance in any way, shape or form, nor did I know about it, nor did I benefit from it in anyway. Yet some people SWEAR I was in on it. They are 100% wrong! The evidence and the truth will eventually come out. But, it takes time.

Just look at a fairly recent and very similar matter in the news the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal. Everyone thought they were guilty because charges were leveled against them. It turns out they were not guilty. It took many many months before there was even the slightest hint that they might be telling the truth, that they didn’t do it.

Second point. Witteles has made several false claims and he continues to do so. I’ll talk a little about this and after that, I’m pretty much going to refrain from talking about him. He clearly enjoys the spotlight much more than I do and he has opportunistically used this situation to try to elevate his standing in poker. In the end, when all the evidence comes out, I think, people will have a very different view of him and his role in this matter.

He says I owe him an apology because AP has admitted there has been a security breach; therefore he must not have been lying or exaggerating. Does that make any sense at all? What about the statements he made about me personally? What about the statements he made about the February 15, 2006 session?

I believe very strongly that he has knowingly and intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth (which are not elements of the offense by the way) made at least one statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. That’s all I can say about it for now.

One last thing, my hand histories from the Feb 16, 2006 session. I have been told that it is likely that Absolute Poker does have those hand histories along with all other real money hands ever played on the site. They apparently are on tape and will be retrievable. I hope this is true. I really really hope so. I think the person who told me they don’t have them may have been mistaken. I really don’t know at this point. I’m just telling you what I have been told by two different sources, obviously in direct conflict with one another.

When I agreed to show my hole cards I had never requested them from AP at that point and was shocked, as everyone else was, to learn they weren’t available. That is the truth! That’s why I am cautiously optimistic that the earlier statement that they are not available, may be incorrect.

One last point about these HHs. I have agreed to expose my hole cards because of 15-20 minute session, if I recall correctly, where my opponent (through his “friend”) wonders if I could see hole cards because I ran so hot/made all the right plays. Imagine how many times that happens every single day in poker. Tens of thousands? I think that would be conservative. So every time a site’s pro has that kind of session, we should all demand to see his hole cards right? I know there is a difference here in that impropriety has taken place at AP, and for that reason, I have agreed to turn up my hole cards.

I am just trying to illustrate a point. My opponent and his friend’s claim will be proven false when and if the HHs are retrieved. I am certain of that because I know I did nothing wrong. But just think for a moment, if you were me how you would feel about such a serious accusation because you ran hot for 15-20 minutes?

-- Mark A. Seif

dlorc 11-01-2007 03:27 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
On point 1. they already admitted upper management/staff cheated the people they are meant to protect, ohai.

Why doesnt he just admit he owns part of AP? It seems clear from all the posts about the matter that the true ownership of AP is hidden behind multiple shell companies :/

point 2. threatening legal action without actually taking it is in fact something you can take legal action against.

Mark Seif is an utter douchebag.

Kweezy 11-01-2007 03:29 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
"Second point. Witteles has made several false claims and he continues to do so. I’ll talk a little about this and after that, I’m pretty much going to refrain from talking about him. He clearly enjoys the spotlight much more than I do and he has opportunistically used this situation to try to elevate his standing in poker. In the end, when all the evidence comes out, I think, people will have a very different view of him and his role in this matter.

He says I owe him an apology because AP has admitted there has been a security breach; therefore he must not have been lying or exaggerating. Does that make any sense at all? What about the statements he made about me personally? What about the statements he made about the February 15, 2006 session?"

What false claims has he made, Mr. Seif? I'm not trying to flame here, but Seif is just babbling. Do these two paragraphs make any sense?

jfish 11-01-2007 03:30 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
Just look at a fairly recent and very similar matter in the news the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal.

[/ QUOTE ]

eh?

80000 11-01-2007 03:32 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 

Seif writes:
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Witteles has made several false claims and he continues to do so.

[/ QUOTE ]

Seif has stated this before. Yet he refuses to say what those false statements are. Seif=douchebag (imo)

imabigdeal 11-01-2007 03:34 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
lol @ not resigning b/c the investigation is still "ongoing". ppl cheated. AP admitted they cheated. anyone who cares about his own integrity and of the company he represents would have quit instantly. it is obvious he is more involved with the company than just as a spokesperson

toutatis70 11-01-2007 03:36 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
How can anyone trust their third party audit? Especially after this guy who has a history of deception is endorsing them. Also Mason offered to send a party of legitimate auditors at his expense and they rejected I believe.

En Passant 11-01-2007 03:38 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
Did he really just make an anology to the Duke rape case?

wheelflush 11-01-2007 03:40 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
mark should really take his case to court. that will really put things out in the open. what a blabbermouth.

ikestoys 11-01-2007 03:42 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
How can anyone trust their third party audit? Especially after this guy who has a history of deception is endorsing them. Also Mason offered to send a party of legitimate auditors at his expense and they rejected I believe.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ummm.... no. Mason wouldn't pay for Absolute's audit.

toutatis70 11-01-2007 03:43 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
Also his response is on Bluff magazine site, bringing them more traffic and they want an owner (Nat) of bluff site to come down and clear them. Am I wrong here? I'm not insinuating Nat would be impartial, just seems like a conflict of interest or something.

mntbikr15 11-01-2007 03:45 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
hahahahahahahqahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

eh hem

hAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seifdonk, you are a complete and utter joke!

ikestoys 11-01-2007 03:46 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
One last thing, my hand histories from the Feb 16, 2006 session. I have been told that it is likely that Absolute Poker does have those hand histories along with all other real money hands ever played on the site. They apparently are on tape and will be retrievable. I hope this is true. I really really hope so. I think the person who told me they don’t have them may have been mistaken. I really don’t know at this point. I’m just telling you what I have been told by two different sources, obviously in direct conflict with one another.

[/ QUOTE ]
It surprised me that the support guy wasn't shown to be wrong earlier.

MotorBoatingSOB 11-01-2007 03:47 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]

One last thing, my hand histories from the Feb 16, 2006 session. I have been told that it is likely that Absolute Poker does have those hand histories along with all other real money hands ever played on the site. They apparently are on tape and will be retrievable. I hope this is true. I really really hope so. I think the person who told me they don’t have them may have been mistaken. I really don’t know at this point. I’m just telling you what I have been told by two different sources, obviously in direct conflict with one another.


[/ QUOTE ]

One more thing. If Seif is in fact a higher-up at AP (and it seems clear that he is) and some sort of backup of these HHs does exist, how ridiculously easy would it be to get some tech peon to find the fking backup tape in question and get the data he wants off it?

This reeks something fierce imo.

DanielDayLewis 11-01-2007 03:48 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
Now I understand why he plays poker and doens't practice law much. This man should not be representing himself or anyone else in any serious matter.

NLSoldier 11-01-2007 03:49 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
lolololololol@seif

ikestoys 11-01-2007 03:50 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

One last thing, my hand histories from the Feb 16, 2006 session. I have been told that it is likely that Absolute Poker does have those hand histories along with all other real money hands ever played on the site. They apparently are on tape and will be retrievable. I hope this is true. I really really hope so. I think the person who told me they don’t have them may have been mistaken. I really don’t know at this point. I’m just telling you what I have been told by two different sources, obviously in direct conflict with one another.


[/ QUOTE ]

One more thing. If Seif is in fact a higher-up at AP (and it seems clear that he is) and some sort of backup of these HHs does exist, how ridiculously easy would it be to get some tech peon to find the fking backup tape in question and get the data he wants off it?

This reeks something fierce imo.

[/ QUOTE ]
Unless everything is tied down by the audit.

toutatis70 11-01-2007 03:50 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
How can anyone trust their third party audit? Especially after this guy who has a history of deception is endorsing them. Also Mason offered to send a party of legitimate auditors at his expense and they rejected I believe.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ummm.... no. Mason wouldn't pay for Absolute's audit.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thank you for clearing this up. Mason did offer to send an auditor though and was rejected correct?

Rainclouds 11-01-2007 03:52 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
That's a long text without saying anything new.

Mark's original statement: The world is flat so I'm innocent
Todd's answer: The world is round, people have researched that.
Mark's response: yeah but the world is flat, cuz it's flat and all. Since it's flat, it's flat. So.. it's flat.

MrBananagrabber 11-01-2007 03:53 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
Cliff notes: Dan Druff is about to be sued.

CPOner 11-01-2007 03:53 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
mystery solved!


NOW i believe it all! Thanks for clearing everything up!

Maybe its just me and my strange behavior...

but i leave the sinking ship before its completely underwater... some passengers on the titanic hung around to see if it was really sinking or not too... horrible call on the river

no i dont think its reasonable to wait and see what happens (check)

we know what happened. your bosses stole from its customers, period. the hows and whys are irrelevant. if you are truly disgusted by what was done by the heads of the company your face and reputation are attached to, you should of left a long time ago.

Facts that are not disputable:
People near the head of the company stole money from valued customers
Accusations were made
Deny Deny Deny
Evidence surfaced of the theft
Deny Deny Deny
Knowledge of said evidence started to spread
Admit of a theft, but invent a story that doesnt incriminate the real perpetrator
Apologize apologize apologize
Promise to fix it all
More evidence surfaces
Change story
Silence silence silence

as far as the hand history thing goes...it follows a similar pattern as above

accusations are made
ignore ignore ignore
accusations are brought up again nearly 2 years later
deny deny deny
no evidence, you'll get it for us
promise promise promise
story change, HH not available (with really bad reasoning)
apologize apologize apologize
missing HH story torn to shreds by sheer logic
evidence supposedly about to surface
change story, HHs might now be available

im not even really convinced that Seif cheated (what do i know, i just know what ive read)... but his words and actions sure arent helping his case in the least

ikestoys 11-01-2007 03:53 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
How can anyone trust their third party audit? Especially after this guy who has a history of deception is endorsing them. Also Mason offered to send a party of legitimate auditors at his expense and they rejected I believe.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ummm.... no. Mason wouldn't pay for Absolute's audit.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thank you for clearing this up. Mason did offer to send an auditor though and was rejected correct?

[/ QUOTE ]
Mason offered to send some people affiliated with 2+2. For unknown reasons, a deal to send those people couldn't be met.

Rainclouds 11-01-2007 03:56 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
On a side note, I really find it disturbing that since the scandal came out, there is absolutely no drop in active players on Absolute according to pokersitescout. It kinda indicates that the vast majority doesn't care which is kinda dangerous.

mntbikr15 11-01-2007 03:56 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
Cliff notes: Dan Druff is about to be sued.

[/ QUOTE ]

haha gl wit that seifdonk

smellmuth 11-01-2007 03:57 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
this guy really likes the taste of his foot

mntbikr15 11-01-2007 03:57 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
How can anyone trust their third party audit? Especially after this guy who has a history of deception is endorsing them. Also Mason offered to send a party of legitimate auditors at his expense and they rejected I believe.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ummm.... no. Mason wouldn't pay for Absolute's audit.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thank you for clearing this up. Mason did offer to send an auditor though and was rejected correct?

[/ QUOTE ]
Mason offered to send some people affiliated with 2+2. For unknown reasons, a deal to send those people couldn't be met.

[/ QUOTE ]

Geee....wonder why....quite the mystery really

Dudd 11-01-2007 03:58 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
Just look at a fairly recent and very similar matter in the news the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal. Everyone thought they were guilty because charges were leveled against them. It turns out they were not guilty. It took many many months before there was even the slightest hint that they might be telling the truth, that they didn’t do it.

[/ QUOTE ]

If there was ever any doubt, Mark Seif is a complete and utter idiot. I'd love to see how he did on his SAT analogies section.

DanielDayLewis 11-01-2007 03:59 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
it is very easy to comment on the article through the link. I suggest everyone take a few moments to leave their 2 cents.

Arnold_O 11-01-2007 04:00 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
From http://www.bluffmagazine.com/blog/bl...0&bcatid=4

11/1/2007 12:33:52 PM EST
My Mood: Chillin...
quick blog to clear some things up...
This will be a quick blog today, as I have a very packed schedule with quite a few meetings. I think it’s important though, to again, clear up some confusion. Specifically, I want to address two points that have legitimately been raised. One, why haven’t I severed all ties with Absolute Poker? Two, why do I feel Todd Witteles has acted improperly? This second question, I have to be brief about for reasons that will be obvious down the road. Also, I want to make a brief point about the hand histories from my February 15, 2006 session that has been called into question.

I have not severed all ties with AP, despite numerous requests for me to do so, for one main reason. The investigation is not complete. There is still a tremendous amount of information to be learned about what happened. Such as, how it happened, when did it start, how long did it last, who was involved, who knew about it, and how pervasive was it? As I write this, there are third party independent auditors travelling to AP’s world-wide offices looking into the Company’s practices, procedures, databases and systems. They are accumulating tons of data about every aspect of AP’s operation. Doesn’t it seem reasonable to wait until the investigation is complete before I make this decision?

Would it not be hypocritical of me to ask the public to wait until all the evidence is in regarding my own involvement before forming an opinion, but at the same time, quickly conclude that AP is guilty of such egregious conduct that I must sever all ties with the Company before the investigation is complete? Wouldn’t I be doing the same thing that some are doing to me? That is, unfairly jumping to conclusions without all the facts?

For clarity’s sake, I will go on the record again regarding my involvement. I never engaged in this malfeasance in any way, shape or form, nor did I know about it, nor did I benefit from it in anyway. Yet some people SWEAR I was in on it. They are 100% wrong! The evidence and the truth will eventually come out. But, it takes time.

Just look at a fairly recent and very similar matter in the news the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal. Everyone thought they were guilty because charges were leveled against them. It turns out they were not guilty. It took many many months before there was even the slightest hint that they might be telling the truth, that they didn’t do it.

Second point. Witteles has made several false claims and he continues to do so. I’ll talk a little about this and after that, I’m pretty much going to refrain from talking about him. He clearly enjoys the spotlight much more than I do and he has opportunistically used this situation to try to elevate his standing in poker. In the end, when all the evidence comes out, I think, people will have a very different view of him and his role in this matter.

He says I owe him an apology because AP has admitted there has been a security breach; therefore he must not have been lying or exaggerating. Does that make any sense at all? What about the statements he made about me personally? What about the statements he made about the February 15, 2006 session?

I believe very strongly that he has knowingly and intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth (which are not elements of the offense by the way) made at least one statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. That’s all I can say about it for now.

One last thing, my hand histories from the Feb 16, 2006 session. I have been told that it is likely that Absolute Poker does have those hand histories along with all other real money hands ever played on the site. They apparently are on tape and will be retrievable. I hope this is true. I really really hope so. I think the person who told me they don’t have them may have been mistaken. I really don’t know at this point. I’m just telling you what I have been told by two different sources, obviously in direct conflict with one another.

When I agreed to show my hole cards I had never requested them from AP at that point and was shocked, as everyone else was, to learn they weren’t available. That is the truth! That’s why I am cautiously optimistic that the earlier statement that they are not available, may be incorrect.

One last point about these HHs. I have agreed to expose my hole cards because of 15-20 minute session, if I recall correctly, where my opponent (through his “friend”) wonders if I could see hole cards because I ran so hot/made all the right plays. Imagine how many times that happens every single day in poker. Tens of thousands? I think that would be conservative. So every time a site’s pro has that kind of session, we should all demand to see his hole cards right? I know there is a difference here in that impropriety has taken place at AP, and for that reason, I have agreed to turn up my hole cards.

I am just trying to illustrate a point. My opponent and his friend’s claim will be proven false when and if the HHs are retrieved. I am certain of that because I know I did nothing wrong. But just think for a moment, if you were me how you would feel about such a serious accusation because you ran hot for 15-20 minutes?

-- Mark A. Seif

[/ QUOTE ]

this is why i basically believe mark seif, and don't believe the icfishies guy.

besides, the icfishies guy retractred his statement. actually it was his friend who retracted it.

mark seif should not be hung out to dry and have his reputation dragged thru the mud because of slime ball AJ Green.

AJ Green needs to be imprisoned in Costa Rica for his crimes against us poker players not Mark Seif

Synergistic Explosions 11-01-2007 04:01 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
On a side note, I really find it disturbing that since the scandal came out, there is absolutely no drop in active players on Absolute according to pokersitescout. It kinda indicates that the vast majority doesn't care which is kinda dangerous.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, the accepted theory that a site wouldn't cheat like this because it would destroy them has been invalidated.

It appears that the only way a site is shunned by it's players is when they stop paying cash outs, which has happened a few times over the years. I have witnessed that after several months of not receiving cash outs, the player base begins to leave the site.

Lesson learned is cheating by top insiders is OK. Not paying out is NOT OK.

AP is paying out quicker than ever so I guess they are OK to it's player base.

Well done AP, you've set a precedent.

CPOner 11-01-2007 04:01 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
On a side note, I really find it disturbing that since the scandal came out, there is absolutely no drop in active players on Absolute according to pokersitescout. It kinda indicates that the vast majority doesn't care which is kinda dangerous.

[/ QUOTE ]

im sure many dont even know

i still run into players that have zero clue about the whole thing... and others that know something happened, but have no idea of the true(?) story

problem is, AP has a greater ability to spread their side of the story than 2+2ers

any publicists out there in the poker world that want to help spread the word? maybe someone should look into hiring the PR firm that AP never paid? im sure they would do the work for dirt cheap

Daack 11-01-2007 04:01 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
Seif knows AP would get smoked to a crisp in a US courtoom.

Paying people back what was stolen from them would be a tiny sliver of any financial settlement.

toutatis70 11-01-2007 04:03 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
mystery solved!


NOW i believe it all! Thanks for clearing everything up!

Maybe its just me and my strange behavior...

but i leave the sinking ship before its completely underwater... some passengers on the titanic hung around to see if it was really sinking or not too... horrible call on the river

no i dont think its reasonable to wait and see what happens (check)

we know what happened. your bosses stole from its customers, period. the hows and whys are irrelevant. if you are truly disgusted by what was done by the heads of the company your face and reputation are attached to, you should of left a long time ago.

Facts that are not disputable:
People near the head of the company stole money from valued customers
Accusations were made
Deny Deny Deny
Evidence surfaced of the theft
Deny Deny Deny
Knowledge of said evidence started to spread
Admit of a theft, but invent a story that doesnt incriminate the real perpetrator
Apologize apologize apologize
Promise to fix it all
More evidence surfaces
Change story
Silence silence silence

as far as the hand history thing goes...it follows a similar pattern as above

accusations are made
ignore ignore ignore
accusations are brought up again nearly 2 years later
deny deny deny
no evidence, you'll get it for us
promise promise promise
story change, HH not available (with really bad reasoning)
apologize apologize apologize
missing HH story torn to shreds by sheer logic
evidence supposedly about to surface
change story, HHs might now be available

im not even really convinced that Seif cheated (what do i know, i just know what ive read)... but his words and actions sure arent helping his case in the least

[/ QUOTE ]

It's all a Right Wing conspiracy made up by Dan Druff and gang, and he should be sued for helping people ripped off by thieves get their money back.

mntbikr15 11-01-2007 04:06 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]

this is why i basically believe mark seif, and don't believe the icfishies guy.

besides, the icfishies guy retractred his statement. actually it was his friend who retracted it.

mark seif should not be hung out to dry and have his reputation dragged thru the mud because of slime ball AJ Green.

AJ Green needs to be imprisoned in Costa Rica for his crimes against us poker players not Mark Seif

[/ QUOTE ]

Good [censored] lord you people are stupid.

There was NO statement retraction

duh 11-01-2007 04:07 PM

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AP is paying out quicker than ever so I guess they are OK to it's player base.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree. Payouts (epassporte) took 2-3 days to clear before the scandal. The instant the story broke, payouts began clearing in 2-3 hours!

SuperSnort 11-01-2007 04:11 PM

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it is very much like the rape case, as the accusers (seif and girls who got raped) both lied from the beginning and continued to lie until the truth came out! that is a great analogy mr seif!

also when i saw lacrosse, i was like "WTF??! girls raping people?" then i realised that american males play

toutatis70 11-01-2007 04:12 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

AP is paying out quicker than ever so I guess they are OK to it's player base.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree. Payouts (epassporte) took 2-3 days to clear before the scandal. The instant the story broke, payouts began clearing in 2-3 hours!

[/ QUOTE ]

And Mark seif was an Owner before the scandal and the instant the story broke hes just a poor spokesman that cant get a single Hand history.

dtf13 11-01-2007 04:12 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
Greasy-Cheesy Weasel

Arnold_O 11-01-2007 04:22 PM

Re: Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!
 
[ QUOTE ]
lol @ not resigning b/c the investigation is still "ongoing". ppl cheated. AP admitted they cheated. anyone who cares about his own integrity and of the company he represents would have quit instantly. it is obvious he is more involved with the company than just as a spokesperson

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this is beyond absurd. mark seif's association with AP is potentially worth 10's of millions. only a complete dumbass would quit.

if he had no part in this scandel why should he suffer.

the only people who should suffer and be imprisoned are those that pulled this off.

toutatis70 11-01-2007 04:28 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
lol @ not resigning b/c the investigation is still "ongoing". ppl cheated. AP admitted they cheated. anyone who cares about his own integrity and of the company he represents would have quit instantly. it is obvious he is more involved with the company than just as a spokesperson

[/ QUOTE ]

this is beyond absurd. mark seif's association with AP is potentially worth 10's of millions. only a complete dumbass would quit.

if he had no part in this scandel why should he suffer.

the only people who should suffer and be imprisoned are those that pulled this off.

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If the site was to go down because of ripping off customers then he would only have a unrepairable reputation. he's gambling for sure.


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