[NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
Villain is a regular 23/18/3. He plays NL400 for at least 6 months.
I am a std 19/15 TAGNIT. I think the flop float is good (only one overcard, he can C-Bet with almost anything. Maybe should I bet the turn ? River is tricky, because it's complet str8 draw, BDFD and my set. Is raise fold the best line ? Or just call ? Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Hero ($427.30) Button ($425.50) SB ($262.05) BB ($101.80) UTG ($404) Preflop: Hero is MP with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $14</font>, Hero calls $14, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. Flop: ($34) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $25</font>, Hero calls $25. Turn: ($84) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, Hero checks. River: ($84) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $65</font>, Hero [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
Betting the turn is ok because he can't possibly have a made hand that checks two flush draws so you might as well protect but checking isn't horrible either. As played this is an easy river raise...you 100% have the best hand. If I am him and I flop a straight draw with 45 or turn a flush draw after cbetting and getting called I am pretty psyched and am double barreling the turn every time. There is no way he checks the turn to see if he hits and then bets. This is like air 80% of the time IMO and is one of those ill-conceived bluffs that you should be profiting from heaps if you are a good hand reader (i.e. callable without the 6 river). The other 20% of the time I'd say he has Jx and is making a value bet (weird line though).
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
if ur saying its air 80% and Jx 20% shouldnt u just call seeing as how those hands cant stand the heat of a raise? ur making it sound as though u think hes very polar to nothing/small small something or maybe tiny chance he has something larger than 666?....in which case a call makes the most sense, right?
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
btw xerxes i played with u on PS earlier today and u seem like a solid player are u a 2/4 reg on PS?
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
Flop is standard. Turn check is fine. I like raising the river.
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
erh if you're in the business of not raising with monsters just to see what they got then sure...anyway if you raise they don't see what you have anyway if they fold which is arguably even more valuable
anyway, there's always a chance you get money: either they call with Jx (definitely not unreasonable since they might feel their hand is underepped or hidden) or they reshove bluff (ur line is equally weird for the same reason that a made hand would bet on the turn when checked to, while a medium hand would check behind the turn and just call the river, so ur repping 66 or air really so this is a fantastic chance to raise vs a thinking opponent). If they do either even ONCE, then raising > calling. |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
i wasnt saying that i thought this was an auto call, i didnt really give my opinion i was just questioning ur reasoning for the raise cuz IMO it iddnt make sense, and them rererebluffshoving isnt worth discussing so disregard a potential rebluff from his range plz
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
well even without that, if P(call with Jx) > 0 then raising strictly dominates calling moneywise. if you place a huge emphasis on information then i guess u could just call or for image reasons ("look what i just call you down with imagine what i have if i raise the river" type thing)
and i dont c why rebluff shoving isnt in their range it's very unlikely we have anything here since we look like we're trying to rep a flush but a flush draw probably bets the turn when checked to. if he thinks that then he may very well reshove |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
$222 on river
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
hate turn check
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
i agree with raising this river was never saying i would just call though i do think if u get reshoved on ur beat my previous comments were just questioning ur logic becuz imo u were saying raise but making the case for flatting but its all good i agree wiht ~220 on river
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
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btw xerxes i played with u on PS earlier today and u seem like a solid player are u a 2/4 reg on PS? [/ QUOTE ] Just move up. I am a fish for the regulars, yeah [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
lol nah wasnt implying that one bit
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
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$222.66 on river [/ QUOTE ] and turn check is fine i think, most regs are betting turn with FD so i dont think your really protecting from much apart form overcards, and i doubt u fold anything/get value from anything. only good thing about betting is free showdown on river the times he checks his bluffs (which he does a lot imo). |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
$210, not close
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
Hero ($427.30) Button ($425.50) SB ($262.05) BB ($101.80) UTG ($404) Preflop: Hero is MP with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $14</font>, Hero calls $14, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. Flop: ($34) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $25</font>, Hero calls $25. Turn: ($84) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, Hero checks. River: ($84) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $65</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $365</font>, Hero is commited and calls... Or ? |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
well you can't really fold getting those odds once you raise, even though it's pretty much a crying call.
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
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well you can't really fold getting those odds once you raise, even though it's pretty much a crying call. [/ QUOTE ] |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
look its my rebluff shove :P well if he has it here you'll have to pay him off because I still can't see how he has a flush...as if he checks the turn when he turns the flush draw
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
snap value shove!
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Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
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snap value shove! [/ QUOTE ] wtf |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
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[ QUOTE ] snap value shove! [/ QUOTE ] wtf [/ QUOTE ] ya, hopefully he was joking. |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
OK, ty for all answers. I don't play it so atrocious, so it's variance [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
Result in white <font color="white"> 4s5s, who missed the CRAI on the turn </font> |
Re: [NL400] Rivered set. Must I call, raise/fold, raise/call ?
I almost just called your raise on the end because i thought you might have had 9xS
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