AJo in the CO
 

8/16 live table. Fairly new table.

Villain in hand is the BB who although this only a few orbits in seems pretty straight forward. I have only played a few hands so far and missed some draws.

Folded to Hero in the CO who raises with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Button calls, SB calls, BB 3 bets, Hero Calls, Button calls SB calls. 4 ways to the flop

(11.5 SBs) Flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] SB checks, BB bets, Hero Raises, Button folds, SB Folds, BB 3 bets, Hero calls. HU to the turn

(8.75 BBs) Turn comes the K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] BB bets, Hero???

Am I done here? BB obv loves his hand.

Re: AJo in the CO
 

Yeah, you're done. If we had any sort of read on him getting out of line I might consider a calldown, but even then it's dicey, IMO.

This is a spot where I'm bleeding bets in my own play. I've been working on it a lot lately. I don't have to always call down top pair heads up, I don't have to always call down top pair heads up...

Re: AJo in the CO
 

A straightforward player sure plays AKo this way, AQo too, against a late position pf raise. He could have several other things here too pf, like big pocket pairs, but he'd prob slow down by the turn if that were the case. Flop is fine, I might get away from this on the turn however.

Re: AJo in the CO
 

Crappy turn but I'm still calling down.

Re: AJo in the CO
 

So you're getting 9.75:1 now, and 10.75:2 on showing down?

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Board: Ah Ks 8c Kd 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.028% 00.00% 13.03% 0 183529.00 { AdJc }
Hand 1: 86.972% 73.95% 13.03% 1041690 183531.00 { KK+, 88, AJs+, AJo+ }


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1,403,441 games 32.562 secs 43,100 games/sec

Board: Ah Ks 8c Kd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 16.763% 01.18% 15.58% 16544 218721.00 { AdJc }
Hand 1: 83.237% 67.65% 15.58% 949485 218722.50 { KK+, 88, AJs+, AJo+ }

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EDIT: WTF, I go stove and then ignore my own math. Fold here unless villain's range is looser than this (unlikely) or you can guarantee that you will play perfectly on the river (impossible)

Re: AJo in the CO
 

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A straightforward player sure plays AKo this way, AQo too, against a late position pf raise. He could have several other things here too pf, like big pocket pairs...

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He does not have TT/JJ/QQ.

Re: AJo in the CO
 

I'm with One Outer on this one. Villain is now value-betting his aces or kings full on the turn. Don't be a sucka..

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A straightforward player sure plays AKo this way, AQo too, against a late position pf raise. He could have several other things here too pf, like big pocket pairs...

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He does not have TT/JJ/QQ.

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As of the flop 3bet I agree, but most people can have these hands preflop and as of the flop bet.

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A straightforward player sure plays AKo this way, AQo too, against a late position pf raise. He could have several other things here too pf, like big pocket pairs...

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He does not have TT/JJ/QQ.

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I didn't say he did, only that these things were in his pf range. In fact, I said that the action indicated that he prob didn't have these and that AK and AQ were more likely.

Re: AJo in the CO
 

i don't think i'm too crazy about the flop raise in this situation.

Re: AJo in the CO
 

Button & SB both hit eject with the raise. So that worked out okay.

So far it seems that the camp is split between showing down and crying uncle.

Re: AJo in the CO
 

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A straightforward player sure plays AKo this way, AQo too, against a late position pf raise. He could have several other things here too pf, like big pocket pairs...

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He does not have TT/JJ/QQ.

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I didn't say he did, only that these things were in his pf range. In fact, I said that the action indicated that he prob didn't have these and that AK and AQ were more likely.

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Who cares what we previously thought he could've had after we narrow it down from what he definitely doesn't have?

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I'm with One Outer on this one. Villain is now value-betting his aces or kings full on the turn. Don't be a sucka..

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Taking this into consideration I might have to change my vote to calling down.... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Nah

Re: AJo in the CO
 

LOL.. hey, I always advocate folding, so, like the blind squirrel that occasionally finds acorns, I must be right sometime. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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i don't think i'm too crazy about the flop raise in this situation.

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i don't think i'm too crazy about the flop raise in this situation.

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I agree, I like a straight call-down in this situation. If the button raised behind us and the BB 3-bet, we could fold, but we should just get to showdown on this hand (I fold the turn as played, though.)

Re: AJo in the CO
 

I'm meh about the flop raise. I guess it's fine. I'd probably just call though. I really hate it if you don't fold the turn.

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Not raising this flop would be terrible. There are a ton of draws that our other two opponents could have in this large pot.

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My flop raise I was cool with. Tough part is what to do now on the turn [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: AJo in the CO
 

hmm i'd call down to confirm read and info on villain.
it will suck tho..

Re: AJo in the CO
 

I don't have a problem with the flop raise, either. Lol at not raising this flop. We have two to act behind us and I, this is just a personal preference, like to give myself the best chance to win the pot. This is a classic "big pot-small pot" situation, no?

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Not raising this flop would be terrible. There are a ton of draws that our other two opponents could have in this large pot.

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I'm baffled at the number and stature of posters that don't seem to realize this

Re: AJo in the CO
 

I like the flop raise.Unless you have a really good read, this is an easy fold on the turn

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hmm i'd call down to confirm read and info on villain.
it will suck tho..

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how many times are you going to pay him off this way before you stop "confirming your info"

Re: AJo in the CO
 

Only an expert or a real donk would have a hand that you beat here, and you don't figure him for either so fold. The only hand in a typical player's range you beat here is ATs, and it's unlikely at that. If the CO and SB don't call your PF raise, I would lean much more strongly to a call down.

Not raising the flop would be extremely weak poker, but you seem like you know that.