Top two pair and flush card arrives on river
 

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2, folds, MP3 (poster) checks, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7SB, 7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero ???

The villain was down to his last $0.85 before his river bet.

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calls

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calls

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QFT

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What's QFT?

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Quoted For Truth

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i'm raising pf for value.

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i'm raising pf for value.

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qft

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i'm raising pf for value.

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why not go for an overcall??

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i'm raising pf for value.

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why not go for an overcall??

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Did you misread something? Hero is on the button preflop so that the only players who have any real chance of folding are the blinds. With so many limpers, who cares?

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grunch

Hero calls. It sucks that the flush got there but top 2 getting 9 to 1 is a call.

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i'm raising pf for value.

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why not go for an overcall??

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Did you misread something? Hero is on the button preflop so that the only players who have any real chance of folding are the blinds. With so many limpers, who cares?

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yikes ... yes - i thought it was a river comment [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

yeah - i would raise pre flop too ...

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raise preflop

call the river and expect to lose

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*grunch*

I'd raise preflop to build a big pot for my nice multiway hand.

Flop and turn standard.

River: Hero calls and hopes for an overcall from SB. UTG+1 is now all-in so no point in raising to drive out SB.

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I'd raise preflop for value and initiative.

If the villain is one of those guys that's prone to bet/raise (more often than not as a bluff) because he's nearly all-in, then I'd raise the river.
Else call.

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:g:

I agree with everything up to river. crying call on river.

edit: after reading comments, raising pre-flop is probably better than calling.

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in spots like this raise like every suited hand with 2 cards 10 or higher in LP. maybe even T9s.

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in spots like this raise like every suited hand with 2 cards 10 or higher in LP. maybe even T9s.

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standard

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Thanks for the advice guys,I'd never have considered raising here pre flop in a million years.Can you suggest the best place to look for starting hand advice,obviously mine needs looking at.

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Ed Miller's Small Stakes Hold'em has preflop raising ranges that I think are very effective.

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I'm not sure if many starting hand charts are adjusted so that KTs becomes a raising hand after many limpers. The point is knowing why you would raise in this spot and deviate from the rigid starting hand charts.

Here's a post by the aforementioned Ed Miller discussing preflop: Take off the training wheels

Here you have two EP (open)limpers + two extra limpers with possibly worse hands than yours and a suited broadway hand that won't win most of the time but when it does you'll win big. Pump the pot for those times by raising - you are in position too. EP limpers are probably bad, you'll want to against them in this pot.