What % are winning players?
 

Has somebody analyzed their databases? What percentage of players on a certain level are winning players? How the money gets distributed? Is it an exponential curve where the majority of money goes to a select few or is it more evenly spread?

The only graphs I've seen are people bragging their own graphs, let's see the big picture.

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my database is like 45% winnners, BUT so many players have only 100 hands it's lol

Longterm winners are like 8%...with less than that being "real winners" (real winner = over $50 a hour for me)

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Mine shows about 50% (note I am a winner, at least in the pounds column anyway).
I heard that only 1 in 10 people win so clearly something is going on.
I suspect some winners have 100's of different identities or the deal is rigged to favour crap players so it is like playing bingo, virtually all luck.
Suspicious eitherway.
I know some players different identies as they have told me so. This is supposed not to be possible.

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-1%

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Easy to solve.

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This is like having a pole on the inside of a football stadium asking whether or not the person likes football.

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There is a link somewhere talking about this

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This is like having a pole on the inside of a football stadium asking whether or not the person likes football.

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Big error IMO to assume the majority of 2p2ers are winning players.

I've also heard polls work better for that kind of thing.

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This is like having a pole on the inside of a football stadium asking whether or not the person likes football.

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Big error IMO to assume the majority of 2p2ers are winning players.

I've also heard polls work better for that kind of thing.

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A) I didn't say the majority of 2+2's are winners, just higher percentage than non 2+2's maybe?

B) You've been here since 04' don't know teh correct spelling of pole? What a moran.

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This is like having a pole on the inside of a football stadium asking whether or not the person likes football.

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Do you mean Polish football?

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This is like having a pole on the inside of a football stadium asking whether or not the person likes football.

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Big error IMO to assume the majority of 2p2ers are winning players.

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I would imagine the vast majority of 2p2ers are winning players. They just arent a winning player at the level they play at.

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I was a losing player for a long time.
I finally started this up swing for over 2 years now.

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i dont even use pokertracker anymore, but i had a pretty decent sized database of hands, and according to it a little over 60% were losers.

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I am winning player but not a $50/hour winning player. More like 50 cents an hour.

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sharkscope says about 1/3 of players are longterm winners at SnGs. wouldn't it probably be similar at all forms of poker?

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40% winners and 60% loosers in my pokertracker

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~5% according to a high ranking PS official.

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databases are not a good measure.


if you have 100 hands against a -1BB/100 loser; the chances of him being up is not far from 50%. if that same player plays 100k hands, the chances are close to zero.


in a random 250k hand database of mine, ill only have > 1k hands against a tiny fraction of the people in there. and when i do have >10k hands against someone, it's almost always because they're also playing professionally.

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databases are not a good measure.


if you have 100 hands against a -1BB/100 loser; the chances of him being up is not far from 50%. if that same player plays 1.6M hands, the chances are close to zero.


in a random 250k hand database of mine, ill only have > 1k hands against a tiny fraction of the people in there. and when i do have >10k hands against someone, it's almost always because they're also playing professionally.

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My PT database shows 41% winners and 59% losers at the FTP micro cash games.

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Link? I need it for research paper.

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Yes, that's right.

I started wondering this when I started datamining. Datamining is a tedious job though, the computer is always lagging and software's crashing, so I didn't get any good statistics...

But someone should have done it.

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50%, its a 0 sum game

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50/50

either your a winner or your not

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my DB says 40% over about 3million hands.

Last year i looked it was 25%

All at NL$25, no idea for higher - dont mine there.

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datamining 3 million NL25 hands, wow.

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my DB says 40% over about 3million hands.

Last year i looked it was 25%

All at NL$25, no idea for higher - dont mine there.

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You datamined three million hands at 25NL? Sweet [censored] jesus couldn't you have pounded your scrotum with a hammer instead?

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The problem with asking for a percentage is that many MANY players will deposit $50 once and never deposit again.

Edit: or three times or whatever, but there are so many players with only a couple hundred hands that are now playing play money, and these players are lumped into the 'loser' category.

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10 players per SNG, 3 spots pay. And you used Sharkscope to get your SNG win %...

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10 players per SNG, 3 spots pay. And you used Sharkscope to get your SNG win %...

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level or you are retarted.

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None of them, only me.

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~5% according to a high ranking PS official.

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Link? I need it for research paper.

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No can do sorry.
You gonna have to take my word for it....or not.

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You seem like a credible enough source.

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my DB says 40% over about 3million hands.

Last year i looked it was 25%

All at NL$25, no idea for higher - dont mine there.

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You datamined three million hands at 25NL? Sweet [censored] jesus couldn't you have pounded your scrotum with a hammer instead?

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Hmm maybe thats wrong, it says 3million in the top left under "HANDS". but that may be counting duplicates where 6 people are sat and play the same hand lol.

So 600 000?

Good enough i guess

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I have read on SharkScope that only 1/3 are winning players and that only the top 3% are true Sharks.

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It's obv 50/50, for every person who wins, someone has to lose, DUH!

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You can win, lose, or break even, so 1/3 of players are winning.

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It's obv 50/50, for every person who wins, someone has to lose, DUH!

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