stacking off for 125bb w/ 3rd pair?
 

Villian is BigTic for those familiar w/ him. He has decent preflop stats 26/20 or somewhere there abouts, but is a total aggro monkey from time to time....


Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (BTN): $972
SB: $262
BB: $394
UTG: $757.50
CO: $502.30

Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $12</font>, Hero calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($30) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $60</font>, Hero calls $40

Turn: ($150) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $128</font>, Hero calls $128

River: ($406) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $302.30 and is All-In</font>

Given his line he's repping basically 99, 77 or maybe AA here, so this has to be a call, right?

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4, 5, 6, 7, nothin

I got NOTHIN

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i dont agree big jim, i think villains flop c/r is super weird on this board.

he's not taking this line with an overpair imo and there arent many set possibilities. i vote for call.

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Just showing you that his range can be quite a bit wider, he's CO, and might even be opening 8To here, which nearly doubles the combos that you're behind.

I really don't see flop check/raises often enough to assign a good default range, but when people play a hand weird, especially on the flop, I think you have to include the nut draw in there somewhere.

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The better he is, the less often you should call this

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Fold unless he ride the short bus.

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nothin????? I have 3rd pair!!!!!!

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I hate these statements so much.

As for the hand I can go either way.

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Thoughts on shoving the turn?

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ye shoving the turn seems interesting here as he might even fold overpair

why do you guys think this flop c/r cannot be an OP?
i think its pretty interesting OP line, inducing a potcommitting reraise by any sort of draw

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wow, after seeing what hero did im mystified as to responses. You might be drawing dead as played on turn fold..

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ye shoving the turn seems interesting here as he might even fold overpair

why do you guys think this flop c/r cannot be an OP?
i think its pretty interesting OP line, inducing a potcommitting reraise by any sort of draw

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At the time I did almost shove the turn, but something just felt right about the hand and it felt like he was bluffing and I decided on the turn that I was calling a shove on all rivers. Basically what I'm saying is that I was slowplaying my pair if 6's, lol.

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8 kicker wouldnt' play, so i'd call

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How light are you willing to call here? My hand is basically A high, so are you calling here w/ A hi, what about K hi?

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How light are you willing to call here? My hand is basically A high, so are you calling here w/ A hi, what about K hi?

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AK would be differnt frmo AJ

and 65 is different from AK

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wouldnt it be the opposite? a better player would be more likely to bluff in my mind, while a worse player would go for the donk check raise with an overpair on the flop, then bet the whole way down

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i like calling
almost as much as i like pushing the turn

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wouldnt it be the opposite? a better player would be more likely to bluff in my mind, while a worse player would go for the donk check raise with an overpair on the flop, then bet the whole way down

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Not at all. A good player realizes his line looks really bluffy. A really good player is taking this line w his huge hands sometimes

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i think turn call &gt; turn raise. if villain took this line with a better hand he's not dumping it on the turn. also, most people should know that the obvious play w/ a set is to just call the turn so if villain is bluffing they can bluff all in....

also, it sets you up to snap off a bluff w/ hero's pair. if hero did not have a pair a turn shove would have more merit.

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Definitely agree that calling&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;raising the turn. Given he's an aggro spewmonkey sometimes, and you called the turn, you should be calling this river.

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easy call


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