Early FTP 1k hand
 

Villain i have never heard of, but hes been pretty active in LP. Thoughts on Preflop? Flop and Turn...

Full Tilt Poker Game #4008283912: $1K Monday (29697351), Table 27 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:16:43 ET - 2007/10/29
Seat 1: onlinewizard (3,3.35)
Seat 2: kwob20 (2,940), is sitting out
Seat 3: charder30 (3,480)
Seat 4: RivRunsDeep (2,830)
Seat 5: FLIMSIN (2,935)
Seat 6: HeyImDro (2,925)
Seat 7: busto_soon (2,090)
Seat 8: amak316 (3,045)
Seat 9: pauly007 (3,420)
charder30 posts the small blind of 15
RivRunsDeep posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to charder30 [Qh Ah]
FLIMSIN folds
kwob20 has returned
HeyImDro folds
busto_soon folds
amak316 folds
pauly007 folds
onlinewizard raises to 90
kwob20 folds
charder30 has 15 seconds left to act
charder30 raises to 285
RivRunsDeep folds
onlinewizard calls 195
*** FLOP *** [9d Ac 5s]
charder30 checks
onlinewizard has 15 seconds left to act
onlinewizard checks
*** TURN *** [9d Ac 5s] [4s]
charder30 bets 425
onlinewizard raises to 850
charder30........?

If a call, river plan?

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

i call. and i c/c river if no spade. This is worse A too often or something trying to figure out if you have the A.

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What are u afraid he has no d of here is the question? I wouldn't say a set unless he has no clue how to play. I would raise it as calling wouldn't offer fold option.

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Screw that monkey make an approx. pot sized bet on flop and be willing to get all chips in. Otherwise weird stuff might happen and you get scared into folding some hand that you intended to make into a bluffcatcher.

I would never check this flop unless I knew my opponent well and it had something to do with their tendencies. Against default opponent I'd bet 100% of the time.

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Screw that monkey make an approx. pot sized bet on flop and be willing to get all chips in. Otherwise weird stuff might happen and you get scared into folding some hand that you intended to make into a bluffcatcher.

I would never check this flop unless I knew my opponent well and it had something to do with their tendencies. Against default opponent I'd bet 100% of the time.

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for the most part what hands are we getting value out of ? i think by checking flop were more likely to get two streets of value.

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Screw that monkey make an approx. pot sized bet on flop and be willing to get all chips in. Otherwise weird stuff might happen and you get scared into folding some hand that you intended to make into a bluffcatcher.

I would never check this flop unless I knew my opponent well and it had something to do with their tendencies. Against default opponent I'd bet 100% of the time.

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for the most part what hands are we getting value out of ? i think by checking flop were more likely to get two streets of value.

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AJ, AT?

People are dumb you think the random dude calls preflop with his AJ to fold when flop comes A9x because you keep betting?

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

i call and hope he makes real small retardo bet river which will happen a good % so i can call all rivers if he doesnt bet small ill fold to really big bets on all UI rivers prolly this is weird but when people do this min-raise then like pot the river i give them a lot of credit because it seems they have a hand here a lot in my experience .

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

Your in this mess cause u checked the flop. Call turn and call no spade river.

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

I pretty much always bet this flop but I don't think checking is horrible given this dry board.

As played calling the turn kind of sucks bc it leaves you with only a PSB on the river. I would shove the turn looking to stack worse aces and mid pairs that think "you don't have an ace."

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I think the combo of check behind flop, min raise turn means your hand is in trouble here.

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You should of bet 2/3 pot on the flop.

Call turn and c/c river unless spade hits

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

Id def call, but might fold to a river bet depends on a lot I guess

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

ok i call, river is Js (worst [censored] card in the deck)

i check

he bets 870

Me?

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

i highly doubt he's folding TT-KK if you lead 370 on flop

just bet flop, c/something turn, pretend you're bluffing on river

profit

as to how it played out, i probably just flip a coin on riv

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

I think hes always folding pairs up to JJ if i lead flop, but i see your point.

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

Flop check is fine, but you have to put more thought into why you're doing it and how it affects Villain's perception of your hand. If he's not a mouth breather (and he may well be, I dunno), he isn't going to pay off two streets when you go check-bet-bet on this board after re-raising pre. Your hand is pretty transparent there.

I'm inclined to say that bet-check-bet is the best way to get him to call two streets with the widest range. If you do check, it should be to represent a big pair that isn't happy about the Ace. You're enticing him to bluff you off QQ or something, so either check again or lead kind of weak on the turn and hope he does raise, then call and check-call river. I would have preferred a weaker turn bet, but this is basically what you've done, so call and check-call river.

Re: Early FTP 1k hand
 

What is all this nonsense advice?
I like the flop check.
Turn b/c is good.
Now fold river. He probably has AJ+