75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

Here's my last hand from this weekend. I thought I'd pose this as a quiz.

75o in Big Blind. Villain is part calling station, part LAG. Has raised pocket dueces preflop and also calls preflop with any 2 suited cards even against a raise or 3-bet.

Hand - 5 callers, Hero checks 75o in the BB. Flop is 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero bets and get 3 callers.

(5bb) Turn is A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] - Hero bets and only villain calls.

(7bb) River is T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] - What's our best play out of C/C, C/R, B/C, B/F and why?

Re: 75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

Bet/folding, check/calling, and check/raising are all completely ridiculous.

I like bet/calling unless he'll raise here with lots of things and pay off a 3-bet, in which case I B/3-bet.

Not showing the hand down is terrible, as is not betting in the first place.

Re: 75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

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Bet/folding, check/calling, and check/raising are all completely ridiculous.

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C/Ring is ok if he's going to sometimes bet busted draws and will almost never check behind a made hand, especially those that would call a bet. This doesn't sound like the type in OP however and I agree with basically everything else you said. LOL at being scared of losing to the runner-runner flush and nothing else.

Re: 75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

Xhad,

You're completely correct in pointing out my lack of explanation in C/Ring. I thought about putting on some caveats with my LOLing at it, but again, it does have value against the correct opponents.

Re: 75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

I'd b/c this river. I don't think we should be afraid of the running diamonds coming in (yet!). [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

I'm not saying we need to be worried about the diamonds. I want to know if anyone thinks we can get more value from our hand with a check than with a bet. The diamond is a perfect bluff card for the villain. In fact, I would put villain on a heart flush draw or a naked 5 looking for the straight. Villain will simply fold either of those hands if we just bet, so again can we get more value with a check?

Re: 75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

Why aren't we considering bet/3bet? The only thing we lose to is a runner runner flush.

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I'm not saying we need to be worried about the diamonds.

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Then don't list c/c and b/f as options while omitting b/3b. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Why aren't we considering bet/3bet? The only thing we lose to is a runner runner flush.

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if he's raising, it's going to be a bluff more often than it's going to be a hand that will call a 3 bet. Villain is obv terrible, and if he really does play any two suited, then there are a ton of diamond combos (72 minus some stuff he would raise PF) in his river raising range vs not too many plausible 2 pair or set hands. If he has a smaller straight he sure as hell played it weird.

Re: 75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

I vote for bet/3bet.

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I'm not saying we need to be worried about the diamonds.

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Then don't list c/c and b/f as options while omitting b/3b. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You're right. My mistake!

Re: 75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

I b/c. I don't like b/3b bc if he fires back, then there is a good chance you are beat but still have to call one more bet. I don't like c/r or c/c because you are likely to miss a bet. c/r possesses some of the same problems as b/3b which I described above. How much of a calling station is villain? Will villain call just to "see it"? If so, you definitely need to bet out.

Re: 75o BB, Hand Quiz - 4/8
 

Villain is definitely capable of folding on the river unimproved. I've also seen villain flop a monster (straight, set) and wait until the river to raise (pretty standard at Commerce). FWIW - Villain is a middle aged white woman with 2 cat figurines (1 was large and wooden with a tail that stood straight up) and wearing a cat t-shirt. It blew me away that she was so aggressive preflop as her playing style did not even begin to match her appearance.

I should also have pointed out that Villain tends to bet when checked to, although she's been running well and tends to always 'have it' if you know what I mean. Keep in mind that in the OP I stated that she was Laggy.

I think the reason I posted this hand is because it seems like a WA/WB situation to me. Most of the time when I bet on a river like this everyone folds and I wish I had checked and given them a chance to bluff. Maybe this is more effective at higher limits where a villain is more capable of bluffing?

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I b/c. I don't like b/3b bc if he fires back, then there is a good chance you are beat but still have to call one more bet. I don't like c/r or c/c because you are likely to miss a bet. c/r possesses some of the same problems as b/3b which I described above. How much of a calling station is villain? Will villain call just to "see it"? If so, you definitely need to bet out.

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If he fires back whaaaa? Sure, sometimes he'll have a flush and fire back, but most of the time he's going to have a hand that will call the three bet and pay you off. He's almost never going to fold to a three bet here, and the vast, vast majority of the time you're ahead. There are way more set and two pair combinations in his range than flush ones.