a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

i had been giving nenad a pretty good amount of respect. checking behind 2nd/3rd pairish type hands i would normally value bet more often than not, folding to a lot of his donk leads into the PFR, checking behind rather than cbetting a lot more than i usually do, etc.

a few hands up to this point: with 60 bb effective stacks, i raise K3o, he calls. flop 332 with a FD, he checks i bet 80 he min c/r's i call. turn A putting 2 fd's up he bets 80 i raise to 300 he calls, river off suit 9 he check calls all in for his last $775 with pocket fives. another hand: RR'd pot 100bb's, he minraises my cbet on a Q-3-3 board, i call and check turn and he insta shoves QJ (i call w AA).

ok here are the two hands. the AK one is his first river cr/ai, i did the normal "15 secs left to act" before betting and he almost insta crai'd.

in the AT one he bet the turn pretty fast and shoved the river pretty fast.

Full Tilt Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $2,129.50
Hero (SB): $10,685.75

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $60</font>, BB calls $40

Flop: ($120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $80</font>, BB calls $80

Turn: ($280) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $200</font>, BB calls $200

River: ($680) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $525</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $1,789.50 and is All-In</font>



Full Tilt Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $3,433
Hero (SB): $9,380.25

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $60</font>, BB calls $40

Flop: ($120) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $100</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $300</font>, BB calls $200

Turn: ($720) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $480</font>, Hero calls $480

River: ($1,680) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2,593 and is All-In</font>

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

man, he is so spazzy.

hand 1 - i guess fold...? it wouldnt be the end of the world if you call though.
hand 2- id call that.

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

1-fold
2-call

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

these replies are so useless

tell me why

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

from my experience with him he's too loose on all streets and a station but not really a bluffmonkey. hand 1 i'd fold really quick but would have bet bigger on flop/turn. hand 2 ugh i dunno kinda feels like he hit a gutshot. def closer.

this is lower than ive ever seen him play though so maybe he was playing a bit crazier. was he 3betting you much?

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from my experience with him he's too loose on all streets and a station but not really a bluffmonkey. hand 1 i'd fold really quick but would have bet bigger on flop/turn. hand 2 ugh i dunno kinda feels like he hit a gutshot. def closer.

this is lower than ive ever seen him play though so maybe he was playing a bit crazier. was he 3betting you much?

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id say your description of him matches how i felt at the time. he was 3 betting more than i did and i caught him doing it with [censored] like 97s and such but nothing too out of line PF really.

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these replies are so useless

tell me why

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1. cuz this line is almost never a bluff?

2. cuz this line looks really bluffy?

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

Didn't nenad used to be an online superstar? he seems terrible

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Didn't nenad used to be an online superstar? he seems terrible

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I though he was notorious for giving too much action?

I agree with (1) fold (2) call

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these replies are so useless

tell me why

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1. cuz this line is almost never a bluff?

2. cuz this line looks really bluffy?

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Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

I dunno about nenad since he doesnt play as high as me but I call in both spots, hand 1, doesnt two pair+ raise u on flop or turn, does a river two pair really check/shove that river frequently? or can we assume that he backdoored a flush, if not, then id say hes transforming a marginal hand into a bluff, call. Hand 2 I call also, hes repping only a gutter IMO and ur line looks so weak that i dont c y he would overbet shove the river unless u guys r leveling.

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

why arent u banned

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

i was banned from full tilt for scaring away the big nlhe games if thats what u mean

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

Yeah, that's why you're posting in small stakes

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

listen lady, just cause I try and help out the smaller ppl doesnt mean I aint big myself, I remember where I came from and even though im very far from it now, doesnt mean im gonna abandon them. Never forget who u r lady, u hear me? u do that and u may as well not be a lady.

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

r u or r u not a lady, lady?

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

this clown hasn't been banned yet because....

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this clown hasn't been banned yet because....

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im trying to help u ostrich man, take it easy, my advice is genuine and based on many months of rising through the ranks rapidly.

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

....ban

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

Hand 1 you only really beat weird made hands that he turned into bluffs, I prob fold quickly. Also I know this may seem results oriented but what do you think you are getting value out of on the river?

Hand 2 i would think you gotta call.

Re: a couple river decisions vs nenad medic with TPTK
 

I would fold both of these. In hand 2, I agree w/ cts about him hitting a gutterball on the turn. I also think he is full a decent % of the time too

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Hand 1 you only really beat weird made hands that he turned into bluffs, I prob fold quickly. Also I know this may seem results oriented but what do you think you are getting value out of on the river?


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Are you suggesting that we should check behind on the river? What noose bleed stakes are you playing? I valuebet this like 100% expecting to get a call from something worse a large portion of the time.
In this spot when he C/R you, I would probably fold, if I didn't know he was capable of doing this with alot more then the nuts.

Hand number 2 I probably call. I would expect him to C/R here with his value betting hands (or on the turn). The only hand better then yours, that I can see him doing this with is a hand including a 2. But it would have been a really loose flop and turn call if he didn't have a combo draw (like Xc2c) but i think he would have felted that on the flop. So I guess I call...