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PokerStars Game #12922621143: Tournament #65581301, $5500+$100 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2007/10/29 - 17:18:51 (ET)
Table '65581301 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: gordo16 (1450 in chips)
Seat 2: Dariominieri (1550 in chips)
Dariominieri: posts small blind 10
gordo16: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gordo16 [8d 7d]
Dariominieri: raises 40 to 60
gordo16: raises 120 to 180
Dariominieri: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [7h 7s Ks]
gordo16: bets 180
Dariominieri: raises 1190 to 1370 and is all-in
gordo16: calls 1090 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [7h 7s Ks] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [7h 7s Ks Ts] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gordo16: shows [8d 7d] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Dariominieri: shows [3s 6s] (a flush, King high)
gordo16 said, "lol"
Dariominieri collected 2900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2900 | Rake 0
Board [7h 7s Ks Ts 2h]
Seat 1: gordo16 (big blind) showed [8d 7d] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: Dariominieri (button) (small blind) showed [3s 6s] and won (2900) with a flush, King high

Re: Dario Minieri is just wayyy too good
 

i don't see what the problem is

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so standard.

WTF why are you playing this level if you're complaining about a hand like this

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so standard.

WTF why are you playing this level if you're complaining about a hand like this

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exactly

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$1000 says you stack off on the turn no matter how played

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a.) I never claimed to be a good SNG player
b.) wasn't really complaining so much as showing a hand that I thought Dario played like a tard..

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$5600 says you stack off on the turn no matter how played

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so standard.


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Sick suck out, keep trying though.

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a.) I never claimed to be a good SNG player
b.) wasn't really complaining so much as showing a hand

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It depends on your reraising range, which clearly is light. When you have T9 there, you fold and he picks up a huge pot. So you got lucky and had trips.

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$1000 says you stack off on the turn no matter how played

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no doubt...

was just saying that shoving 6high spades there is retarded..

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Shoving a flush draw in a HU game is never retarded IMO. Obv I dont play a ton of HU, but I think Dario would accept the fact you held the nut flush knowing he made the right play by having the flush draw in the first place..if that makes much sense.

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It depends on your reraising range, which clearly is light. When you have T9 there, you fold and he picks up a huge pot. So you got lucky and had trips.

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actually I very rarely 3bet preflop, which is why this hand was bizarre to me...

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It depends on your reraising range, which clearly is light. When you have T9 there, you fold and he picks up a huge pot. So you got lucky and had trips.

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actually I very rarely 3bet preflop, which is why this hand was bizarre to me...

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It was level 1 in a sng, why are you persisting with this.

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lol awsome, your whooping him now.

k2, k7 for dario.

272 is flop.

Nice

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Oops, 107 = no good [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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lol donkaments at 109 not winning for Dario.

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It was level 1 in a sng, why are you persisting with this.

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I dont know if its even worth the argument, but the very fact that it was level 1 in the SNG is what made his push terrible... Late in the tournament, I don't say a damn about the push, its completely standard, but it was so early to donkey-shove his hand.

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a.) I never claimed to be a good SNG player
b.) wasn't really complaining so much as showing a hand that I thought Dario played like a tard..

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c.) Dario is a great SNG player.
d.) Good chance your thought is wrong.

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c.) Dario is a great SNG player.
d.) Good chance your thought is wrong.

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laughable

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this hand isn't really that bad for Dario. If he had KJ he probably would've pushed preflop tho

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It was level 1 in a sng, why are you persisting with this.

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I dont know if its even worth the argument, but the very fact that it was level 1 in the SNG is what made his push terrible... Late in the tournament, I don't say a damn about the push, its completely standard, but it was so early to donkey-shove his hand.

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This is a heads up SnG right?

His shove isnt close to terrible. It isnt really all that standard at the same time but he has probably balanced his range and would play 88-AA and any K the same way.

Basically there is a LOT of FE and the calling range you have he has a solid chunk of equity against.

Its far from a donkey shove and blind size at this point in the SnG is irrelivent.

Also, your 3 bet w 78s is probably the most non-standard thing in the hand.

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the fact that dariominieri has had tons of experience playing 5000$ hu(he and leemur1 used to balla it up all the time before the turbos came in) makes me wonder what your problem is

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It was level 1 in a sng, why are you persisting with this.

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I dont know if its even worth the argument, but the very fact that it was level 1 in the SNG is what made his push terrible... Late in the tournament, I don't say a damn about the push, its completely standard, but it was so early to donkey-shove his hand.

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wtf you reraised with 78s.

That means you would have raised with 9Ts, JTs, AQ, AJ, and tons of hands, ALL OF WHICH MISSED THE FLOP WHICH IS WHY HE PUSHED BC MOST OF THE TIME YOU MISSED THIS FLOP I CANT BELIEVE YOU PLAY $5K HU SNGS AND DONT UNDERSTAND THIS.

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The whole point is that I rarely 3bet preflop, so to him, my range should really be pretty limited. His FE there is actually pretty small, especially because this was the 3rd or 4th SNG that we had played and the action had been going fast and loose postflop. The only hands that I reasonably have in this spot that I maybe lay down are JJ, QQ, and AQ (obvious laydown).

Also, why are blinds and relative stack sizes irrelevant at this point in the SNG?

Ok, whatever, donkey-shove is maybe harsh. I was just surprised that he would push that hand in this spot where he realistically has very little FE.

Gotta love BBV... posters takin' a break from the 1/2 grind to tell me I have no place at the 5K SNGs.. (I mean, I probably dont, but meh)

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The whole point is that I rarely 3bet preflop, so to him, my range should really be pretty limited. His FE there is actually pretty small, especially because this was the 3rd or 4th SNG that we had played and the action had been going fast and loose postflop. The only hands that I reasonably have in this spot that I maybe lay down are JJ, QQ, and AQ (obvious laydown).

Also, why are blinds and relative stack sizes irrelevant at this point in the SNG?

Ok, whatever, donkey-shove is maybe harsh. I was just surprised that he would push that hand in this spot where he realistically has very little FE.

Gotta love BBV... posters takin' a break from the 1/2 grind to tell me I have no place at the 5K SNGs.. (I mean, I probably dont, but meh)

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Do you tihnk he called pre w/ 63 to try and hit 2pr+?

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Dario is also rich and therefore doesn't play scared....and if you look at the hand he played it like any other time in similar situation.

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so standard.

WTF why are you playing this level if you're complaining about a hand like this

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he is ultra aggressive, this is super standard, please dont post this weak sauce

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The whole point is that I rarely 3bet preflop, so to him, my range should really be pretty limited. His FE there is actually pretty small, especially because this was the 3rd or 4th SNG that we had played and the action had been going fast and loose postflop.

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Seem to contradict urself, no?

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this hand is so standard.....

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"The whole point is that I rarely 3bet preflop, so to him, my range should really be pretty limited...The only hands that I reasonably have in this spot that I maybe lay down are JJ, QQ, and AQ (obvious laydown)."

So you laydown everything in your supposed range that isnt TPTK, top set or AA?

You define this as being a low FE spot?

In fact, id imagine with your range being so tight his shove is even better (than if you 3 bet KQ and were willing to stack off with 88-QQ) but im way too lazy to do the math on it.

Also, yes, blinds are irrelivent if the shove is +EV. Dario was about $5.5k sure it was and he is a much better player than you or i.

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"Gotta love BBV... posters takin' a break from the 1/2 grind to tell me I have no place at the 5K SNGs.. (I mean, I probably dont, but meh)"

lol

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I know this is BBV and bashing low-mid stakes fish is what we do and all, but [censored], OP plays 5k SnG's, enough with the glass tapping plz.

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The only hands that I reasonably have in this spot that I maybe lay down are JJ, QQ, and AQ (obvious laydown).


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lol you reraised with 87s. You're telling me you would have made a different play with 89s, JT and such?!

I love when people convince themselves that their range is something that its not.

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Gotta love BBV... posters takin' a break from the 1/2 grind to tell me I have no place at the 5K SNGs.. (I mean, I probably dont, but meh)

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yeah, stinger and pasterbator are such fish

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Gotta love BBV... posters takin' a break from the 1/2 grind to tell me I have no place at the 5K SNGs.. (I mean, I probably dont, but meh)

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yeah, stinger and pasterbator are such fish

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havent played w/ stinger but can confirm pasterbator is pretty bad

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The only hands that I reasonably have in this spot that I maybe lay down are JJ, QQ, and AQ (obvious laydown).


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lol you reraised with 87s. You're telling me you would have made a different play with 89s, JT and such?!

I love when people convince themselves that their range is something that its not.

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100% true

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Gotta love BBV... posters takin' a break from the 1/2 grind to tell me I have no place at the 5K SNGs.. (I mean, I probably dont, but meh)

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yeah, stinger and pasterbator are such fish

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havent played w/ stinger but can confirm pasterbator is pretty bad

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HU FOR ROLLZ + 10K FIGHT YO

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Gotta love BBV... posters takin' a break from the 1/2 grind to tell me I have no place at the 5K SNGs.. (I mean, I probably dont, but meh)

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yeah, stinger and pasterbator are such fish

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havent played w/ stinger but can confirm pasterbator is pretty bad

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nh.