Tigers trade for Renteria
 

Let's take a break from arod and yanks.

The Tigers acquired Renteria from the Braves for two prospects: Jair Jurrjens and Gorkys Hernandez. Jurrjens is a pitcher and Hernandez is a CF blocked in Detroit by Maybin.

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Is it that hard to spell the thread title correctly? I thought this was about Tiger Woods. What a buzzkill.

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Is it that hard to spell the thread title correctly? I thought this was about Tiger Woods. What a buzzkill.

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are there a lot of trades in golf or are you just trolling?

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phb,

Learning grammar would solve your problem.


Can't wait for "John Smoltz trade" round 2!!

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Love this trade for both teams.

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Is it that hard to spell the thread title correctly? I thought this was about Tiger Woods. What a buzzkill.

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yeah...because Renteria the golfer is very well known
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so I guess the move to 1B for Guillen is official now.

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phb,

Learning grammar would solve your problem.


Can't wait for "John Smoltz trade" round 2!!

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Oh, right, please trade John Smoltz.

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so I guess the move to 1B for Guillen is official now.

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That's the plan? To move a guy capable of play short (albeit poorly) to first?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have Inge murdered and move Guillen to third?

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phb,

Learning grammar would solve your problem.


Can't wait for "John Smoltz trade" round 2!!

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Oh, right, please trade John Smoltz.

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Wait, you know I was referring to John Smoltz the Tiger for Doyle Alexander the Brave right?

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Guys chill out, jeez. It was a joke. And he fixed the title now so it's cool.

But for a moment I really did think Buick traded Tiger Woods for Elmer Renteria, pitch-man extraordinaire.

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phb,

Learning grammar would solve your problem.


Can't wait for "John Smoltz trade" round 2!!

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Oh, right, please trade John Smoltz.

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Wait, you know I was referring to John Smoltz the Tiger for Doyle Alexander the Brave right?

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Yeah, I was taking it a step farther and just hoping that the Braves would actually trade John Smoltz and get similar results [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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so I guess the move to 1B for Guillen is official now.

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That's the plan? To move a guy capable of play short (albeit poorly) to first?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have Inge murdered and move Guillen to third?

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Inge is an above average defensive 3B, right? Obviously, they needed to replace the horribly bad Casey/Thames platoon. Guillen was great offensively as a SS, but wouldn't he project to a below average 1B offensively?

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really, this is just $9m more the braves can offer a-rod. that's like 3 weeks worth of salary.

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I think the braves should flip hernandez - I think he's slightly overrated for things like tools and running really fast and I believe Schafer is the better long term option at CF anyways. Looove that this opens up a spot for lillibridge though - at least my scoresheet baseball team does!

James

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tigers starting pitching for next year scares me even more now.

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so I guess the move to 1B for Guillen is official now.

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That's the plan? To move a guy capable of play short (albeit poorly) to first?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have Inge murdered and move Guillen to third?

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The Guillen to first move was made official in mid September. This is more to protect his knees than anything.

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I think the braves should flip hernandez - I think he's slightly overrated for things like tools and running really fast and I believe Schafer is the better long term option at CF anyways. Looove that this opens up a spot for lillibridge though - at least my scoresheet baseball team does!

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Gorkys is quite a ways away and has a huge ceiling. Schafer is definitely the CF of the future, but there's no need to move Hernandez yet. He's going to start the year in A+, so he's at least two years from a decision.

Your scoresheet is going to be very unhappy unless the Braves play Lillibridge (or Johnson) in CF. Yunel Escobar now slots in as the starting SS.

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I'm pretty disappointed as a Braves fan. Can we atleast spend the difference on SP.

Probable starters for next year.

1b-Tex
2b-Johnson
SS-Escobar
3b-Jones
RF-Diaz
CF-Francouer
LF-?

SP-Hudson
SP-Smoltz
SP-?
SP-?
SP-?

RP-Gonzalez?
RP-Moylan
RP-Mahay
RP-Acosta

Closer-Soriano

Big needs 3-5 starter? Will Hampton be back and can he pitch. James, Reyes fill any voids? I'd prefer more proven guys personally. I'd like a speedy guy in LF/RF (whichever Diaz doesn't play). I don't think Willie can handle a full season as proved by his Aug/Sep performance.

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I'm guessing the money goes to Glavine or Schilling.

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I'm guessing the money goes to Glavine or Schilling.

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ouch

Bring back Steve Avery?

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Glavine has made it rather clear he wants to come back to Atlanta. He'll probably eat enough innings to be a solid third or fourth starter, but I'm not wild about him coming back.

From all reports, the Braves got some good prospects in this trade. It sounds like Jurrjens could be a fourth or fifth starter as soon as next year and Hernandez sounds like he has a lot of upside. However, I don't get the rush from the Atlanta perspective. The offseason literally just started, so why not let a team get desperate and see if you can squeeze more prospects out of someone.

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From a Brave fan perspective I love this trade. Jurrjens is a massive upgrade to the back of the rotation now and could become the #3 in time. Could mean Chuck James is headed elsewhere in a package if there are any takers, which I don't really mind. Scouting reports on Hernandez are very positive and having a speed threat in the lineup a few years from now certainly couldn't hurt.

Definitely not a bad trade from Detroit's perspective either, Edgar still has quite a bit left in the tank at a reasonable price tag.

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I'm pretty disappointed as a Braves fan. Can we atleast spend the difference on SP.

Probable starters for next year.

1b-Tex
2b-Johnson
SS-Escobar
3b-Jones
RF-Diaz
CF-Francouer
LF-?

SP-Hudson
SP-Smoltz
SP-?
SP-?
SP-?

RP-Gonzalez?
RP-Moylan
RP-Mahay
RP-Acosta

Closer-Soriano

Big needs 3-5 starter? Will Hampton be back and can he pitch. James, Reyes fill any voids? I'd prefer more proven guys personally. I'd like a speedy guy in LF/RF (whichever Diaz doesn't play). I don't think Willie can handle a full season as proved by his Aug/Sep performance.

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You do know the Braves got a starting pitcher in this deal, right?

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I'm pretty disappointed as a Braves fan. Can we atleast spend the difference on SP.

Probable starters for next year.

SP-Hudson
SP-Smoltz
SP-?
SP-?
SP-?


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You do know the Braves got a starting pitcher in this deal, right?


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Yeah, with what, 7 starts past the AA level? You can't really pencil him into the rotation yet.

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We had James, Reyes, etc. last year start doesn't mean they were any good. Hudson and Smoltz were so much better than the rest it was insane. It was almost like 2 different teams between the top 2 starters and the rest. We don't even need great starters, just someone who can fill innings and not totally suck. I personally don't want Glavine back, but any average starter with our O should be fine.

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Chuck James has an ERA of 4 in nearly 300 innings. The real drop came after the top 3. Signing an average starter would give the Braves one of the best rotation in the league, especially if one of Jojo, Jair, and the field can break out.

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Yeah, with what, 7 starts past the AA level? You can't really pencil him into the rotation yet.

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From what I understand, you can pencil him into the rotation right now. Smoltz, Hudson, James, Reyes, and Jurrjens is not a bad rotation. You probably sign Glavine and let either Reyes or Jurrjens rotate between AAA and the sixth starter, but it's not a glaring need. Joey Devine should become a fixture in the bullpen starting this year. There is also plenty of potential help on the farm as the Braves have one of the deepest farm systems out there.

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On the Smoltz/Alexander thing, not the most knowledgable about it since I was 4 or so at the time, but in defense of it:

The Tigers were in contention for the playoffs and wanted to win then. He pitched very well and got them into the playoffs. Obviously if they knew what Smoltz was it wouldn't be worth it, but he was still a prospect then right? He obviously had a lot of potential but there's a substantially greater number of young pitchers with great potential that wind up very good or better, so it's not on it's face an absurd trade.

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Great trade for both teams obviously.

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On the Smoltz/Alexander thing, not the most knowledgable about it since I was 4 or so at the time, but in defense of it:

The Tigers were in contention for the playoffs and wanted to win then. He pitched very well and got them into the playoffs. Obviously if they knew what Smoltz was it wouldn't be worth it, but he was still a prospect then right? He obviously had a lot of potential but there's a substantially greater number of young pitchers with great potential that wind up very good or better, so it's not on it's face an absurd trade.

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Alexander went 9-0 with an ERA of 1.53 for a Tigers team that had to make a miraculous comeback to beat the Toronto Blue Jays. I'd say that part of it worked out. On top of that, Smoltz didn't have his breakthrough until 1988. In 1987 he had 86 K's and 81 BB in 130 IP, altbeit at age 20 in AA. That particular Tigers/Braves deal was similar to this one in that at the time it was a win for both teams.

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Does this trade mean Boston doesn't have to eat anymore of Rentawrecks salary?

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Nate tha Great says wat up Frank and Dave?

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Yeah, I was gonna post this. This is unbelievable.

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Does this trade mean Boston doesn't have to eat anymore of Rentawrecks salary?

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That's a good question. If they do still have to pay, I wonder if that money goes to Detroit or Atlanta?

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Atlanta raped this trade

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Atlanta raped this trade

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Detroit gains more championship equity than Atlanta.

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I'm pretty disappointed as a Braves fan. Can we atleast spend the difference on SP.

Probable starters for next year.

SP-Hudson
SP-Smoltz
SP-?
SP-?
SP-?


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You do know the Braves got a starting pitcher in this deal, right?


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Yeah, with what, 7 starts past the AA level? You can't really pencil him into the rotation yet.

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No way the Braves traded Renteria for a SP they werent penciling in to the rotation.

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Atlanta raped this trade

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Detroit gains more championship equity than Atlanta.

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Atlanta improved much more than Detroit, and as constructed right now I'd say the Braves are better favs than the Tigers to make the playoffs.