Would this raise be too thin
 

Villain is a donk, whoy just can`t believe it ( punketti, lost 17k over 1k hand in my stats) 38/25/1.5

130BB

Utg folds, V raises to 70, H callscwith 6c5c Co calls, rest folds
Flop: 9sJd5h Pot:220

V best 111, i call and Co folds

Turn: 6d 444
V 333, H calls

River: Td
V bets 900, Hero?

We played some Hu before and other 6max and i took 5k from him, yet.

I think folding is out of discussion, but is a raise just too much?

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Am I blind or did you not post what you have?

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Villain is a donk, whoy just can`t believe it ( punketti, lost 17k over 1k hand in my stats) 38/25/1.5


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ummmm

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He told me he`s a pro!

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I just LOLd really hard when I read the first line of this thread. As for the hand, this depends on what he thinks of you. You can only pull this off if he thinks you are capable of pulling a move on this river. Obviously he is capable of Value betting 1 pair here, but he's only going to call a shove if he suspects you can be bluffing. If that is the case than shoving here would be pretty sick, but I would imagine that is not the case here.

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i would just call here but I probably would have raised the turn!

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from your posts I get the impression that you basically never bluff beyond cbetting the flop so i dont think you should be making value raises too often without really strong hands

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i love samo jokes

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I am definately able to bluff on every street, you can be sure.
I am not regularly doing total crazy 5th level stuff, but i bluff if the time is good for it

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from your posts I get the impression that you basically never bluff beyond cbetting the flop so i dont think you should be making value raises too often without really strong hands

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i thought the same but from playing w/ him at 5/10 he seens to actually be a decent reg. OP, from what ive seen (admittedly not a ton) i dont think you have the image to get paid off here.

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I'd say nobody has the image to pull a raise off here, it's probably just plain bad.

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i almost think if u raise here ur turnin ur hand into a bluff....

wheres aejones for the range merge speech

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unless you have an image that warrants it, which is generally unlikely, a raise is -ev here.

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what do you think about a turn raise? ANYONE?

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I think raising turn or river doesn`t make much differnece, but i could catch another bluff by just calling

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I think you played the hand fine (if you just called riv). I think the hands you beat that call a turn raise are going to fire the river anyway, and you cost yourself money if he has you beat. So I don't like raising the turn, and raising this river WTF.

Unless AA-QQ AJ? is a standard shove for him on the turn?

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So you guys think he lays QQ+ away?

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I'm not saying he's always laying down QQ, although I definitely think it's not a standard call in his spot. I'm saying this:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>84 games 0.005 secs 16,800 games/sec

Board: 9s Jd 5h 6d Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 42 0.00 { 6c5c }
Hand 1: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 42 0.00 { JJ+, 99, 55, AJs, KdQd, KJs, J9s+, 87s, AJo, KJo, J9o+, 87o }</pre><hr />

(J9+ means J9 and JT)

This is being generous in that he always calls AJ KJ (and has that last hand in the first place) and QQ-AA. He might not raise 87o, but he probably doesn't fire three barrels with KJ, maybe AJ, and likely folds a bunch of one pair hands. So I see no value in betting.

EDIT forgot random suited Aces that got there. So def. not a raise IMO.

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I'd say you're more likely to fold out a better hand (specifically 9T with or without a flushdraw) than to have a worse hand call.

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Don't play these games unless I am playing. Don't play Samo, he is a Whale Hunter. Don't call the flop unless you have a good read how Samo is playing on the turn and what he thinks of your calling range. Definately do not raise the river unless you have a very clear read he will look you up light and not bluff shove.

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just call.