200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

Villain is tomtom2 and has tag stats. He hasn't 3bet me this sesh. Now I guess he could have QQ or like KK but it seems more like AK or AQ because he checked the flop.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $76.65
Hero (UTG): $225.75
MP: $145.35
CO: $236.50
BTN: $215
SB: $240.15

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $28</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($59) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($59) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $42</font>, Hero calls $42

River: ($143) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $92</font>, Hero?

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

This is pretty read based and I wouldn't hate a calldown, but two things make me want to fold. 1: lots of tags don't have the balls to double barrel this river with AK. 2: he should put you on 99-JJ pretty easily based on preflop action, and he should be pretty aware that your range is transparent. I think that makes it less likely for him to bluff and more likely to value. of course it depends on your image... metagame is weird.

I like a fold but in the moment I might call because i'm a station.

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

Flop/turn seem fine. I think I just c/f river even though your hand is pretty defined.

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

eewww...sick spot, since he hasn't been out of line, i'm inclined to believe he'd be the flop with AA/KK...

aiy, would he really bet this river if he didn't have u beat, not sure imo, i think i muck it here

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

I have this hand on video as I was making a video at the time and you will probably hear a lot of cursing during this time I think.

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

this isnt a std double barrel spot. seems like an ez fold

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

you have to bet that flop. what are you checking for?

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

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you have to bet that flop. what are you checking for?

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uh what?

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

against tomtom I think that you should check/fold the turn. He's TAP, not TAG

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

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you have to bet that flop. what are you checking for?

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You bet, a good player shoves 100% of his range, now what? Doesn't sound like fun to me.

These are tricky, read- and image-based spots. You don't "have" to do anything at any point.

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

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against tomtom I think that you should check/fold the turn. He's TAP, not TAG

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I just thought that most players bet the Q turn card w/ AK here.

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

As played I fold. If I call here I fully expect to get shown AQ or better like 80% of the time here cos I think AK absolutely fires that flop most of the time after RR pre (unless he's VERY nitty or you image is super-lag) making it unlikely. Throw in a few random monsters 77/88 etc and I think its a pretty easy fold tbh.

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

fold this so fast, i prolly play it the same and release on the river

if hes aggro PF OTB consider a 4 bet though...JJ is pretty good

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

It feels like you're behind on the river to AA-KK, AQ, KQ. I could see him occasionally checking behind the flop for pot control and deception with AA-KK, although I agree I wouldn't normally expect it. On the other hand, I could see him checking AK behind on the river a lot.

Was your plan to play it passively post-flop if low cards hit? I don't understand: why didn't you at least bet the turn to protect your hand? I would have bet either the flop or the turn.

Finally, I'm not crazy about playing this passively if you're going to call the turn and fold the river. That is, as played, while I think it's a fold on the river, that probably means it is on the turn, too (again, though, I would have bet the turn).

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

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against tomtom I think that you should check/fold the turn. He's TAP, not TAG

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I just thought that most players bet the Q turn card w/ AK here.

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i agree, most do, but the river is something else, yea, it might not be as close as i first thought, this prolly is a fold even more now

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

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against tomtom I think that you should check/fold the turn. He's TAP, not TAG

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I just thought that most players bet the Q turn card w/ AK here.

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dude never bluffs

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

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I could see him occasionally checking behind the flop for pot control and deception with AA-KK

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these two things are mutually exclusive imo
and OOP without the lead his flop and turn and river checks are all super standard and are how i would play this hand against almost anyone without history

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

betting the turn wouldn't be bad, he can easily have TT or 99 or smth here going for pto control on flop

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

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I could see him occasionally checking behind the flop for pot control and deception with AA-KK

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these two things are mutually exclusive imo
and OOP without the lead his flop and turn and river checks are all super standard and are how i would play this hand against almost anyone without history

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I don't think they're mutually exclusive; just part of mixing up your game. That is, when I check behind for pot control with a strong hand on the flop, it is deceptive not only for this hand, but also when I do the same thing in the future.

I get your point about c/c oop, but here I think it's pretty likely Villain is ahead on the turn, and I would want to bet for protection.

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

bet the turn here. seems like the best line given you know if you call the turn you are checking the river, and he is gonna bet like 100% of his range.

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

ez fold vs him.

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

Fold the river.

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you have to bet that flop. what are you checking for?

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You bet, a good player shoves 100% of his range, now what? Doesn't sound like fun to me.


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actually vs some players donk/call on this flop is super hot.

here though i prolly play the same as OP and fold river

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 

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you have to bet that flop. what are you checking for?

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You bet, a good player shoves 100% of his range, now what? Doesn't sound like fun to me.


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Are you kidding? That sounds like a ton of fun to me.

LOL at a good player shoving 100% of their range here tho...

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you have to bet that flop. what are you checking for?

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You bet, a good player shoves 100% of his range, now what? Doesn't sound like fun to me.


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Are you kidding? That sounds like a ton of fun to me.

LOL at a good player shoving 100% of their range here tho...

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Thanks for such a high-content post! Your students must really value your detailed explanations.

We know he has a tight 3-betting range. If you expect him to meekly fold AK, fine, go ahead and donk.