River bet size deep
 

Villain is 75/12 but surprisingly not that bad. His wtsd is like 16%. He plays pretty straightforward mostly and isn't at all wild.

Here I managed to leave myself with 1.5xpot. Do I bet half his stack, shove, if less than a shove then do I call a shove?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $2033.05
Hero: $2545.70
SB: $307.75
BB: $1175.20

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $12</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($48, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $48</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $169.5</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($387, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $387</font>, UTG calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1161, 2 players)
UTG checks, he has $1500 or so left.

Re: River bet size deep
 

i'd bet 750/call

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why do you raise small on flop and pot turn? seems better to raise flop big so you dont discourage him with a psb on turn.

and yea i bet 750 or so.

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or raise flop big and pot turn so you are able to play for stacks.

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Yeah flop was a mistake. Like I raised and then went [censored] he has 2k.

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888$, i dont think a 75/15 will fold a jack/ flush here ever, and if he shoves you have to call.

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888$, i dont think a 75/15 will fold a jack/ flush here ever, and if he shoves you have to call.

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I don't understand. If he will never fold a J or a flush why only bet 888?

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he might smell something if you overbet, or bet potsized but youre right vs a 75/15 shoving might be best.

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id go 950 instead of 750 since if you lose you can always go get carleen's free $200 bonus [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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If he is str8forward, with the flush at the river, he doesn't call a shove. I think he will call prety quickly a 1/2 pot size bet (700$). Of course, call a shove, if he got KJ, it's a cooler.

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shove - if he has a flush, he isn't folding.

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905$.
Seems smaller to the donks psychologically than 890 for example.

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$1111

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905$.
Seems smaller to the donks psychologically than 890 for example.

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Id really get a consensus on this. Some people say 199 gets called easier than 200, some say 222 gets called easier than 200. I don't know. Probably doesn't too much though.

In the hand raise flop hard, then 3/4-2/3 and you should be able to get it in.

On the river I am likely to make an around $800 bet.

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Even thought he is 75/12, if he has wtsd at 16% I doubt he is calling with a flushdraw on the turn.

I would put him on a jack, and I dont think he is calling an overbet with a medium jack without history.
I would bet/call around 900.

Re: River bet size deep
 

1. He's never folding a flush after drawing to it.

2. We shouldn't discard hands like 99/TT/QQ.

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i would shove

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villain c/ced a psb on turn on a paired board. shoving is dumb because he doesnt have a flush very often. also, if he has a flush he will c/r a bet of 750 anyway.

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jfish, i don't think either are necessarily true with this villain.

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you guys do realize that 75/12 with wtsd 16% still means that he is getting to the showdown in about 12% of hands, whereas a WTSD of 25% with a VPIP of 20% means showing down in 5% of pots, right? Also, with a small sample, the small WTSD could just mean him whiffing a ton.

fish draw to flushes on paired boards against psbs. shove all day.

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I don't think villain has a flush here. Who calls a flush draw on a paired board out of position for a full pot bet with these stacks? If he hits his flush, he won't try to bet the river? I mean if he has the 89dd then I might even expect him to throw out a little bet on the river, although not always.

Anyway his hand looks like a jack or maybe an overplayed TT+. I bet 3/4 pot, because you want value. I think if you shove JT can fold.

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In the end I shoved and he folded QJo face up. I donked up this hand pretty bad.

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905$.
Seems smaller to the donks psychologically than 890 for example.

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ok i know CTS says this (so i do it), but i don't understand how it makes much sense... theres a reason prices are $x.99?

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I was gonna say, his most likely hand is a jack and I wouldn't expect that to call an overbet. Agree with Jfish that FD isn't that likely, disagree about him CRing it tho. I like 800ish.

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i think id bet 600-800 but i would have raised flop bigger (and no [censored] decimals either)

also his timing on your turn bet prolly gives away his hand...

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He has a FD like 10% of the time max. His range is heavily weighted towards Jx and QQ-AA, since even fish will often fold a FD for $400 on the turn on a paired board, but they'll fold a hand like QQ or even TT (those are made hands!) even though those hands will have less equity against your range. So shove is bad imo, I'd bet like 800

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In the end I shoved and he folded QJo face up. I donked up this hand pretty bad.

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God I wish online had the option to show 1 card

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In the end I shoved and he folded QJo face up. I donked up this hand pretty bad.

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God I wish online had the option to show 1 card

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QFT.....would be soooo sick here, although that works better vs a total retard.

Ummmmm, as for the river, I'd like your shove if he was more stationy and had a higher WTSD. Given his very low WTSD, I like $6-800. I don't think he ever has a flush here really, so I can't imagine he likes his hand nearly enough to call much more than that here.