Do AP have a license to operate?
 

As I understand it AP are no longer on the list of Permit Holders

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/

Of the commision under which they ooperate.

http://www.absolutepoker.net/about-us/Index.html

Thus it would appear to me they are operating without a permit/license and thus illegally?

I was not sure where to post this but I thought it was an important legal matter and I did not want to to get buried in a big thread, although I may mention it in there too.

I though in particular people who play at the site should be aware of this as they appear to be playing on an unlicensed site???

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<font color="white">Lori </font>

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lol welcome to the wild wild www.est. why do u think they operate "off-shore". just another psychological ploy to fool people into thinking "oh, its licsenced it must be legit". TRUE POWER IS IN NUMBERS. The top site is up for a reason, if it were cheating and unreliable and there were better alternatives then players would migrate away. true survival of the fitest, got to love pure Capitalism.

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lol welcome to the wild wild www.est. why do u think they operate "off-shore". just another psychological ploy to fool people into thinking "oh, its licsenced it must be legit". TRUE POWER IS IN NUMBERS. The top site is up for a reason, if it were cheating and unreliable and there were better alternatives then players would migrate away. true survival of the fitest, got to love pure Capitalism.

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However the terrority in which they operate from, according to their website, requires the site to have a license/permit and they don't seem to have one.

OK the terrority has a 'strange' status, (it's in Canada, or whatever), and I believe the Canadian police ae looking into the matter also.

There has been some 'friction' between the terrority and the Canadian government before I believe, so I doubt the Canadian government would be too please if they are allowing
unlicense gambling operations to operate in a terrority which has dubious legal status anyway.

I believe the terrority recieved some international sympathy in the past when they had problems with the Canadian government, however I doubt they would receive that now if they are allowing unlicensed gambling to operate. Especially if some of their citizens have been ripped off.

And lets face it Canada has a bigger army, the purest form of capitalism.

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Did you realize that an NATVIVE INDIAN territory is its own entity, not subject to ANY of the juristictional laws. You can slip on a bannana peel placed there on purpose and break your neck inside their casino and have NO standing to sue. THAT is the reason the AP servers are located on INDIAN territory and so called "owned" by Joe Norton. Look it up, INDIAN TERRITORIES have a very unique legal arrangement because they were technichly there BEFORE the imposing governments around them.

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Did you realize that an NATVIVE INDIAN territory is its own entity, not subject to ANY of the juristictional laws. You can slip on a bannana peel placed there on purpose and break your neck inside their casino and have NO standing to sue. THAT is the reason the AP servers are located on INDIAN territory and so called "owned" by Joe Norton. Look it up, INDIAN TERRITORIES have a very unique legal arrangement because they were technichly there BEFORE the imposing governments around them.

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The legal status of the terroritry is pretty unclear.
Saddam was there before the US army moved in.
Get the picture?

Sure the Canadians will tolerate it if it keeps it nose clean, but if it is believed to be running dodgy gambling operations that might meight be a different matter, especially if a lot of Canadians have lost a pile of money at the site [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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As I understand it AP are no longer on the list of Permit Holders

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/

Of the commision under which they ooperate.

http://www.absolutepoker.net/about-us/Index.html

Thus it would appear to me they are operating without a permit/license and thus illegally?

I was not sure where to post this but I thought it was an important legal matter and I did not want to to get buried in a big thread, although I may mention it in there too.

I though in particular people who play at the site should be aware of this as they appear to be playing on an unlicensed site???

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Out of boredom about a year ago I went to the KGC site and I think I saw a reference to a firm which was allowed to operate gambling servers there during the application processing period. They weren't listed as having a permit, as I recall, but still could run gambling during that process period. Maybe when you change key personnel or change owners you have to reapply and you fall back into that status. My memory is a bit hazy, but that's how I remember it. BUT the real answer about whether that is a possibility is in their amazingly heavy duty regulations. I'm too lazy to read them, having skimmed them recently, but you might be willing to do that. Maybe they talk about pending stuff in them.

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AP have a license to shill imo.

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i see what you did there.

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well UltimateBet is safe they have the permit it has it on KW website link.

UB has always been legit and safe.

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well UltimateBet is safe they have the permit it has it on KW website link.

UB has always been legit and safe.

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Well according to the license they must keep 5 years worth of gaming records, which would be hand histories I believe.

I have been acking them for my HH's for 3 days.

I have not even recieved a reply or acknowledgement of my request.

If I don't hear from then with in the next 12 hours I will be asking the gambling commision to look into it and revoke their license if approppiate.

If I don't hear from the gambling commision I will be asking the Canadian Government to invade the tin-pot state!!

Cos that's the knd of guy I am!!!!!!!!!!

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As I understand it AP are no longer on the list of Permit Holders

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/

Of the commision under which they ooperate.

http://www.absolutepoker.net/about-us/Index.html

Thus it would appear to me they are operating without a permit/license and thus illegally?

I was not sure where to post this but I thought it was an important legal matter and I did not want to to get buried in a big thread, although I may mention it in there too.

I though in particular people who play at the site should be aware of this as they appear to be playing on an unlicensed site???

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Out of boredom about a year ago I went to the KGC site and I think I saw a reference to a firm which was allowed to operate gambling servers there during the application processing period. They weren't listed as having a permit, as I recall, but still could run gambling during that process period. Maybe when you change key personnel or change owners you have to reapply and you fall back into that status. My memory is a bit hazy, but that's how I remember it. BUT the real answer about whether that is a possibility is in their amazingly heavy duty regulations. I'm too lazy to read them, having skimmed them recently, but you might be willing to do that. Maybe they talk about pending stuff in them.

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The idea that you can operate whilst applying for a license is ludricous.
"No Officer, I don't have a driving licenses, but I am taking driving lessons!!".

No way!!

Or "No I don't have license to sell alcohol but I have sent in an application form!!".

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I guess you guys are glad your president is taking an interest [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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As I understand it AP are no longer on the list of Permit Holders

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/

Of the commision under which they ooperate.

http://www.absolutepoker.net/about-us/Index.html

Thus it would appear to me they are operating without a permit/license and thus illegally?

I was not sure where to post this but I thought it was an important legal matter and I did not want to to get buried in a big thread, although I may mention it in there too.

I though in particular people who play at the site should be aware of this as they appear to be playing on an unlicensed site???

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Out of boredom about a year ago I went to the KGC site and I think I saw a reference to a firm which was allowed to operate gambling servers there during the application processing period. They weren't listed as having a permit, as I recall, but still could run gambling during that process period. Maybe when you change key personnel or change owners you have to reapply and you fall back into that status. My memory is a bit hazy, but that's how I remember it. BUT the real answer about whether that is a possibility is in their amazingly heavy duty regulations. I'm too lazy to read them, having skimmed them recently, but you might be willing to do that. Maybe they talk about pending stuff in them.

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The idea that you can operate whilst applying for a license is ludricous.
"No Officer, I don't have a driving licenses, but I am taking driving lessons!!".

No way!!

Or "No I don't have license to sell alcohol but I have sent in an application form!!".

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You ever hear of a "learner's permit?"
or how about this

"With its new provisional license, The Charleston School of Law is expected to open next year with a class of at least 125 students"
or this on running a nursing home in California


"I understand that the California Provisional License is valid for 12 months only, it is not renewable. I must take and pass the State Examination within the 12-month time frame. I further understand that if I do not pass the examination during that time, I will have to reapply through regular reciprocity procedures with NHAP"

Purgatory is alive and well in the world of government granted licenses, AND I didn't just make up that stuff about seeing such a thing at the KGC site before, about a year ago. So I am going to continue to score - license pending - as a possibility.

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Well H11, they won't be having any of my money.

Play there if you like, but you won't be playing against me!!

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2+2 also don't have a license.

Please follow logical steps.

<font color="white"> Lori </font>

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OMG. Does this mean BBV can see the whole cards?

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2+2 also don't have a license.

Please follow logical steps.

<font color="white"> Lori </font>

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Basic logic, no trust, no play.

Served me well so far!!

When I smell a rat I am OUT!!

And 2+2 ain't a gambling site,if you follow my logic!!

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2+2 also don't have a license.

Please follow logical steps.

<font color="white"> Lori </font>

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Basic logic, no trust, no play.

Served me well so far!!

When I smell a rat I am OUT!!

And 2+2 ain't a gambling site,if you follow my logic!!

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Well, if AP isn't licensed then we would have to conclude - they are naughty.

I never felt any security because of the KGC. I always assumed that many sites registered there would cheat me if that was in their best economic interest. I picture a lot of really sleazy people owning a lot of these off shore gambling sites. But AP is probably worth something like 150 million dollars, and I have faith that greed will motivate the owner to clean up this mess and run an honest shop. He makes a fortune playing straight, so there is no real incentive to be crooked. But if you want to rely on gaming commissions such as this one, feel free to do that.

And if AP has violated their rules, feel free in joining me in declaring AP officially naughty.

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[x] opportunity for wannabe lawyers to pretend they are edukated.