YertleTurtle\'s post in Winholdem Forum?
 

I know this guy posts in this forum a lot and this is why im posting here.

i found this thread at this bot forum. take it fwiw. it scares me when a good player could team up with a bot at high stakes tables.

http://forum.winholdem.net/wbb/viewtopic.php?t=12227

sorry. i dont know how to link it.

"I've become more interested in bots in the last few months and have read some of the posts on this forum. Although I'm sure many of you are fine programmers it seems that there is a fundamental lack of understanding of advanced poker skills (i.e. beyond preflop hand charts).

Re: YertleTurtle is possible bot
 

I am really surprised this guy has chosen to take that route. I am really not scared that he would actually be able to make a better bot just that he would cheat for money.

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me too, i am kinda confused here and wondering if its the same yertleturtle

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the chances that it's two different people seems pretty slim no?

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what site(s) does this guy play on?

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He plays both NL and limit at mid-high stakes.. and its definitly the same guy

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He plays both NL and limit at mid-high stakes.. and its definitly the same guy

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you've spoken with him?

Re: YertleTurtle is possible bot
 

ive played vs him and he has sat out and typed in the chat " sorry not gnna play you" or something similar... Not something a bot would do, imo.

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no one's saying he's a bot. this thread is about him being interested in botting.

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hey -

just a quick note here to say that I am not the poster on the winholdem forum. I post on Stox poker and someone brought this to my attention. If you are interested in reading more about it you can look on there but the gist of it is that I sold my poker database a few months back to several people and I suspect one of them is trying to leverage it into a free bot.

A few of you know me personally and probably know I wouldn't do this. The rest of you I hope would know that I'm smart enough not to use my username which is also my handle on several sites. Feel free to say hi to me if you see me. I play on AP, FullTilt and PokerStars.

If anyone knows more about winholdem and what I can do to protect myself further I'd appreciate a PM. I would also appreciate people refraining from comments like "it is definitely the same guy".

YT

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All - I know Oliver personally and I will vouch for him. I was more shocked and confused than anyone when I read the op.

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(10:10:37 AM) rcrumb: guess you saw the bot crap
(10:10:46 AM) geormiet2: yeah, what was that?
(10:13:30 AM) rcrumb: I sold my database about 6 months ago on a forum called [censored]. I think someone is using my db and info about me to get someone to build them a bot
(10:14:25 AM) geormiet2: i know [censored]
(10:14:36 AM) geormiet2: wow
(10:14:49 AM) rcrumb: thought it was a good way to make a little cash
(10:15:06 AM) rcrumb: its on 2+2 and stoxpoker
(10:15:07 AM) geormiet2: so they knew you were yertleturtle?
(10:15:24 AM) rcrumb: its my username on parttime poker
(10:15:39 AM) geormiet2: so on stoxpoker what id did they post under?
(10:16:07 AM) rcrumb: not sure where the link went actually
(10:16:25 AM) rcrumb: but my password won't get me on the site anymore
(10:16:37 AM) rcrumb: I may have been black listed?
(10:16:41 AM) geormiet2: flopaholic sent it to me
(10:16:43 AM) geormiet2: i'll find it
(10:17:08 AM) geormiet2: jeus
(10:18:05 AM) rcrumb: like if I were working on a bot I would use my username
(10:18:10 AM) geormiet2: i KNOW
(10:18:13 AM) geormiet2: i was like wtf...
(10:18:26 AM) rcrumb: I'm not that stupid
(10:18:52 AM) geormiet2: well im glad to hear this
(10:19:45 AM) rcrumb: its weird to have people I don't know say stuff like "its definitely him"
(10:19:49 AM) geormiet2: i was kinda worried
(10:19:55 AM) geormiet2: i know peopel are idiots

Re: YertleTurtle is possible bot
 

I guess I owe a public apology, because I think im the only one that said "its deifnitly him".

When obviously I didnt know it was definitly him...
I basically just peiced a bunch of evidence together, and it made total sense...

Sorry... am embarassed..

BTW the YertleThetertle on the WHE forums hasnt claimed to be making a bot... Hes asking to get together with a bot maker and help them improve their bot with his knowledge so they can share the bot.. Was surprised how someone who isnt very good at poker, be able to offer this (IE some rando thats not yertletheturtle that has yertles DB)?
Probabily narrows down the imposter drastically.. and one of the many reasons I thought it was actually yertle.

At least me making terrible conclusions got you to speak up here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: YertleTurtle is possible bot
 

Turtle,

I was pretty surprised that you would do that. I def give you the benefit of the doubt. That sucks.

DF

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Heisenberg,

I really appreciate you apologizing. You aren't the only one to make these statements as there are similar things voiced on the stoxpoker website. When I read the post on winholdem I was really surprised because there was a lot of accuracy to the post. (i.e. how long I've been playing and the limits I play - although I almost never play 30/60). So I certainly can't fault anyone for jumping to conclusions.


Thanks again.

YT

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I am pleased to see that this was a false alarm. It would certainly be disturbing to see an established, winning player openly supporting bot developers.

So, it got me wondering... is it a bad idea to consider selling your database? If you do consider selling it, should one put a little effort into finding out who is doing the purchasing?

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most promising thing from all this is "And if you do have a good winrate at the 30-60 tables and have a solid bankroll to back up the swings why even bother with a bot."

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well that's kind of a silly thing for that guy to say, if I could have a bot that could win at even half my winrate at 30/60 it most certainly would be worth the bother.

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If my winrate at 30/60 was positive long-term I would be happy but since I doubt I can beat that limit long-term I doubt even more that I could build a bot to do so.