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Hattifnatt 10-27-2007 01:13 PM

J765 in CO
 
The currency is Swedish crowns so the stakes should be devided by 6,5.

UTG is a loose-passive opponent I tried to isolate with the inintial raise. Have been playing with Villian for an hour or so, he doesnt seem to be good at all, he also said in the chat that he has no good clue how to play this game.

He had been reraising a few hands and continued with aggression on the flop and always had big pair hands so I am pretty sure he has a big pair hand here.

I have 1950, Villian 2460.

10/20, 5 handed

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]´5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Hero raises to 90, Button raises to 300, 3 folds, Hero calls

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (650)
Hero checks, Villian bets 650, Hero raises all-in to 1615..

Preflop is my biggest concern but comments on the flop play are welcome as well.

JSmith2007 10-27-2007 01:21 PM

Re: J765 in CO
 
I'm going to be brutal here - I hate this play all around. I would definitely fold the raise, I don't even raise with that hand personally, limp in and see a flop. Your postflop play is OK I suppose because he prolly has AAxx or KKxx which you'll be drawing alot of outs to, just hopefully he doesnt have AA45 or KK45.

OrrLives 10-27-2007 01:41 PM

Re: J765 in CO
 
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I'm going to be brutal here - I hate this play all around. I would definitely fold the raise, I don't even raise with that hand personally, limp in and see a flop. Your postflop play is OK I suppose because he prolly has AAxx or KKxx which you'll be drawing alot of outs to, just hopefully he doesnt have AA45 or KK45.

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I agree that preflop was terrible unless you put villain on AAXX exactly and know you can stack him if you hit two pair or catch a monster draw. Just fold out of position after you raised.

Hattifnatt 10-27-2007 02:04 PM

Re: J765 in CO
 
my default play is to fold this pre in this spot but I dont agree that the call is Terrible, I actually think its pretty close.

OrrLives 10-27-2007 02:30 PM

Re: J765 in CO
 
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my default play is to fold this pre in this spot but I dont agree that the call is Terrible, I actually think its pretty close.

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Close because you may stack AAXX?

Grandezza 10-27-2007 02:37 PM

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my default play is to fold this pre in this spot but I dont agree that the call is Terrible, I actually think its pretty close.

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Close because you may stack AAXX?

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Because he says his range is a big pair.

roggles 10-27-2007 02:53 PM

Re: J765 in CO
 
I don't play this hand at all. It just sucks all around IMO

OrrLives 10-27-2007 04:10 PM

Re: J765 in CO
 
If you put him on AAXX, you are probably going to be at best 50/50 to win this hand. Pushing is not good here on this flop.

Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 2s 6d 3h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5d Jh 7h 6h 401 48.90 419 51.10 0 0.00 0.489
Ac Jc Ah Th 419 51.10 401 48.90 0 0.00 0.511

FireStorm 10-27-2007 06:12 PM

Re: J765 in CO
 
I don't like this at all, you have 0 FE on the flop, and this hand blows preflop. You can't really be 100% sure his range is polarized to AAxx or KKxx AND that you will stack him if he does have these.

sqwisssssss 10-28-2007 12:30 AM

Re: J765 in CO
 
i hope we see more of this kind of play when online poker gets legalized.

T-God 10-28-2007 01:00 AM

Re: J765 in CO
 
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If you put him on AAXX, you are probably going to be at best 50/50 to win this hand. Pushing is not good here on this flop.


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what?

TheRempel 10-28-2007 02:04 AM

Re: J765 in CO
 
While I wouldn't raise this hand after a limper, flop is fine.

OrrLives 10-28-2007 02:15 AM

Re: J765 in CO
 
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If you put him on AAXX, you are probably going to be at best 50/50 to win this hand. Pushing is not good here on this flop.


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what?

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This hand is a bit confusing to me...

If you put villain on a high pocket pair (say AAXX), you have less than 50% equity on the flop (possibly much worse).

If hero was going to the felt on this flop, why not just bet out? At least this way there will be some fold equity. Once hero checks, villain will bet out and there will be little fold equity at this point (against most villains).


As for my previous comments, I think I misread the size of the pot on the flop. There is 650 on the flop and 1600 left to go. If he are going to play this hand on the flop, he is probably pot committed getting 2250:1600.

Hattifnatt 10-28-2007 09:22 AM

Re: J765 in CO
 
I have thought some more on this hand and def think the only thing I can/should do different is calling the additional 210 but I think that thats very close. more (constructive) comments are very welcome.

JSmith2007 10-28-2007 03:55 PM

Re: J765 in CO
 
I don't see the point in raising. Let him raise, then limp if you want to. IMO, this is a horrible starting hand if you don't hit the flop with low cards.

Hattifnatt 10-29-2007 08:56 AM

Results
 
he called with KQQJ after some hesitation and I failed to hit something, I was actually a 52% favorite and think that I am something like 47% on avg vs his range.

comment on the hand are still welcome, I actually think I played it fine and if you have good reasoning why I didnt plz explain.


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