AA with drawy board
 

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BB: $21.43
UTG: $40.67
Hero (CO): $83.46
BTN: $78.11
SB: $27.21

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4</font>, BTN calls $4

Turn: ($12.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $9</font>, Hero calls $9

River: ($30.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $14</font>, Hero folds


Villain is 26.4/18.1/4.25 over 71 hands
I called the turn figuring if the other heart hit I could get a lot of money since he has been aggro.

Re: AA with drawy board
 

nh. betting the turn is fine too.

Re: AA with drawy board
 

Don't like betting that flop at all. To many draws and turn cards that kill your action. May be very weak but I almost lean towards c/f on this kind of flop with this hand.

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Don't like betting that flop at all. To many draws and turn cards that kill your action. May be very weak but I almost lean towards c/f on this kind of flop with this hand.

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this is ridiculously weak-tight

Re: AA with drawy board
 

I know that is really really weak but I hate building big pots on this type of board with just an overpair.

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I know that is really really weak but I hate building big pots on this type of board with just an overpair.

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WOWOWOWOWOW. Please read up son. I am so happy to get all in on this flop with an overpair. You are passing on so much value

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Don't like betting that flop at all. To many draws and turn cards that kill your action. May be very weak but I almost lean towards c/f on this kind of flop with this hand.

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This is fundamentally awful. You want them to pay for their draws NOW when you have the best hand. Bet and get it all in if possible ASAP. Don't wait until they've all missed and won't pay you off or until they've hit and you have to fold.

Best hand that's insanely vulnerable = bet, bet, bet.

Also, to OP, I think your line is fine. I bet the turn as a standard, though.
What do you do if the river was a heart?

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Don't like betting that flop at all. To many draws and turn cards that kill your action. May be very weak but I almost lean towards c/f on this kind of flop with this hand.

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Yeah, right. Possibly the worst advice I've read here on 2+2, seriously. You don't like to bet with aces on a drawy flop? The whole point is to bet, so the drawers have to pay to see the next card. And check-folding?!?! Jesus bloody christ.

You played the hand well, I would have played it just like you.

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What do you do if the river was a heart?

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Um, bet?

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Bet and get it all in if possible ASAP

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That depends. You fold to a push here, but with an aggro villain, you can push if he raises you, and hope he has a flushdraw.

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I know that is really really weak but I hate building big pots on this type of board with just an overpair.

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WOWOWOWOWOW. Please read up son. I am so happy to get all in on this flop with an overpair. You are passing on so much value

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Could you please explain to me why you are so happy to get it in on a flop like this? Two pair is almost never folding here. I mean what are we beating here on a consistant basis to make playing AA on a board like this profitable, especially out of position.

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I know that is really really weak but I hate building big pots on this type of board with just an overpair.

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WOWOWOWOWOW. Please read up son. I am so happy to get all in on this flop with an overpair. You are passing on so much value

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Could you please explain to me why you are so happy to get it in on a flop like this? Two pair is almost never folding here. I mean what are we beating here on a consistant basis to make playing AA on a board like this profitable, especially out of position.

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All draws and overpairs. Fold to a push, but you have to bet the flop. Not doing so is horrible, horrible play.

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Agree to disagree, but I believe that we are putting money in here in spots that we likely are very small favorites against most random button hands. There are very few turn and river cards that we can bet or call profitably with just one pair.

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Agree to disagree, but I believe that we are putting money in here in spots that we likely are very small favorites against most random button hands. There are very few turn and river cards that we can bet or call profitably with just one pair.

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Since he just called the flop, we have to assume he is on a draw. If he had JT of hearts, he would have raised us, so lets asumme he had QJ of hearts; the second worst draw for us on the table. On the flop, we are 60-40 favorites, and hence, we have to bet no matter what. If a 10 or a heart does not hit the turn, we are suddenly 75-25 favorites, and volâ, we will get him out if we bet properly (and the villain isn't a donk).

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Ok sorry I wasn't very clear. I agree that we should bet this flop but strictly as a c-bet as I still don't believe there is much value on a board like this OOP. There are so many turn cards that shut down our action and we will be C/F this more often than not simply because there are not many hands we beat on flops like this.

Re: AA with drawy board
 

I like what I see, but you could also bet the turn. Standard fold.

Re: AA with drawy board
 

KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AKh-ATh, KQ-KTh, JQh, T5h-T2h, and all other, lower flushdraws. Assuming he only has the flushdraw, villain only has 8 outs since we have one heart as well. Betting here is not a cbet; we have the best hand.

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I believe it is becuase, as your said he is not a donk. I think you would be CRAZY to get it all in on this flop vs said player. Also there are so many turn cards that he can safetly bluff assuming he doesn't already have a strong hand. We just can't call here, I don't consider pocket aces strong at all OOP on this board. If we had a set however i would be happy getting it in on this board, just not with one overpair.

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Him bluffing the turn is not something we are taking into consideration here. He is an aggressive player, but will probably not call flopbet with air. And my replies were not about getting it all in on the flop, but about BETTING the flop. You said you did not like betting the flop with this board, which is just plain wrong.

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I just think you have to take into consideration how this hand will play on later streets and not just the one that is showing. Our hand just doesn't not play well later on thats why betting this specific flop. I am a huge fan of continuation betting but i see very little value here in this situation.

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I just think you have to take into consideration how this hand will play on later streets and not just the one that is showing. Our hand just doesn't not play well later on thats why betting this specific flop. I am a huge fan of continuation betting but i see very little value here in this situation.

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I am really not sure what line you want here? Obviously check-folding is horrible, and so is check-calling. Obviously this is not a board we want with aces, but betting the flop is the only thing we can do here.

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No offense but some of the advice in this thread is just horrendous. I like you flop bet, you should also bet the turn, and then c/f the river assuming you dont hit obviously. If you think villain floats you could crai on the turn, but thats obviously very player dependent. And as far as being afraid of this flop, be happy to get it all in here. Sometimes you will see a set, other times you will see an overpair or a draw. This board is so drawy that I would have a very hard time folding here against a villain readless. Your turn call sucks because you most likely will NOT get a lot of value. You said he is aggro, that doesnt mean anything on a heart river. If he is a hyper aggro monkey then maybe, but if he is semi decent then he is not paying off your obvious nut flush on river assuming you hit.

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Turn should be either B/f or C/f, when looking at it again.

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C/F is absolutely terrible. Check calling is also horrible - if you're willing to put the money in, might as well give yourself a chance to take the pot down.
You have to bet the flop regardless.
I'd have bet the turn...maybe 2/3. Laying off after that.