is this spew? 1k NL
 

Opponent is a 50/3 passive calling station. I just felt that I am repping the straight v well with the small turn bet followed by large river bet.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $639
UTG+1: $382.4
Hero: $985
Button: $2946.5
SB: $1824
BB: $385

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $55</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($185, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($185, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $100</font>, SB folds, UTG calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($385, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $300</font>.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

I "never ever" bluff calling stations. They call w/ things you couldn't imagine to often.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

he is calling with a ton of garbage on turn that even this player probably folds on the river.

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^^ What he (Laetus) said

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he is calling with a ton of garbage on turn that even this player probably folds on the river.

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Ah ... no.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

wouldn't you agree that he needs at least 2 pair or AT to call? How often does a player playing 50% of their hand have AT+ on that board?

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wouldn't you agree that he needs at least 2 pair or AT to call? How often does a player playing 50% of their hand have AT+ on that board?

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He is 50/3. He needs any one pair to call. So you might get value from his A2

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wouldn't you agree that he needs at least 2 pair or AT to call? How often does a player playing 50% of their hand have AT+ on that board?

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I don't think so, 50/3 calling stations don't have calling requirements, they just call

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

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Opponent is a 50/3 passive calling station. I just felt that I am repping the straight v well with the small turn bet followed by large river bet.

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Do you think he remembers the turn action when you bet the river? I gotta go with the others and say just don't bother bluffing stations ever. Also, is he passive enough to check an eight twice?

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

u think this guy is calling 300 with K7 that is crazy. anyway even under my assumptions the play is -ev by about $100.

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u think this guy is calling 300 with K7 that is crazy.

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guys with his stats aren't known for their logical sane plays though

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

ok the guy folded. surely it is v likely that he folded a pair. I would count this as a gross misplay though.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

Some of the times he folds he has something like QJ anyway, though there aren't many draws out there to be fair. Anyway, it's obv a spew against a player like that unless he tighens up a whole lot on the river.

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ok the guy folded. surely it is v likely that he folded a pair. I would count this as a gross misplay though.

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Well, preflop stats don't equal post flop stats. So perhaps he folds all non straights here. As I said I don't try to bluff these guys BUT I do find myself shutting down and losing to third pair because of this. You could have it right here, where what you're representing is blindingly obvious even to villain. That said, you're not exactly playing to your opponent's weaknesses.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

"Opponent is a 50/3 passive calling station." After that nothing else matters here. I've tried this stuff enough to know it doesn't matter what you're repping. It matters that HE has a pair. Which is too much to bluff out.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

i fire, I am not losing to 3rd pair

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

Ya. I would fire as well. It might be a little ev- in a vacuum but if we lose we have the 2nd best position to take what has become a full stack plus he`ll give it to us with anything after this hand.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

ok another bluffing calling station. bad idea really

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They dont think they just call.

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do not bluff bad guys like this

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Ya. I would fire as well. It might be a little ev- in a vacuum but if we lose we have the 2nd best position to take what has become a full stack plus he`ll give it to us with anything after this hand.

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I've often seen these guys make huge calls and then tighten up completely when they win.

Would anybody disagree with this: if you are going to run a bluff against this sort of player then this is the exact kind of spot you want to do it in.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

could you please answer my other thread. three hands vs the same opponent. this hand is much easier and it seems like everyone is just saying the same advice. thanks.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

I don't like bluffing with hands that have small show down value. Your hand was probably good here, but you might get a fold from some thing like A6. It's just difficult to put these passive guys on a hand.

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Ya. I would fire as well. It might be a little ev- in a vacuum but if we lose we have the 2nd best position to take what has become a full stack plus he`ll give it to us with anything after this hand.

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I've often seen these guys make huge calls and then tighten up completely when they win.

Would anybody disagree with this: if you are going to run a bluff against this sort of player then this is the exact kind of spot you want to do it in.

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I guess, but that's up there with things like: if you're going to kill someone, do it when no one's looking.

the act itself is something that shouldn't be done, but there are rules you should follow if you undertake it.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

This is terrible. Why would you pick this player to bluff anyway? Rep a straight against someone who actually thinks while playing

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Why would you pick this player to bluff anyway? Rep a straight against someone who actually thinks while playing

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I don't actually mean to defend the bluff, but this is what I disagree with. Villain has to think that we're bluffing in order to call. A nonthinking player just looks at the board and say oh he must have the straight.

I don't try to do this sort of thing, but I'm not yet convinced it's a bad idea. When I check behind I always lose to 56o. Even calling stations can fold a pair on a board like this.

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

Cure your win-every-pot-syndrome. find better spots to bluff, there's no reason for this. A guy like this will call tons of times when his one/two pair hands should go in the muck, which is why this shouldn't be attempted in the first place. He called the turn, what makes you think he's folding the river?

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

why is this thread so long

Re: is this spew? 1k NL
 

hate, also I dont bother trying to stab at this pot on any street