200bb bluff
 

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (MP): $793
CO: $569.50
BTN: $816.60
SB: $519
BB: $410.20
UTG: $400

Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $48</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $34

Flop: ($102) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($102) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $285</font>, BTN calls $210

River: ($672) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $460 and is All-In</font>

villain is verkligen.. 25/20. no reads, no history.

Re: 200bb bluff
 

Its prbly ok in a vacuum but its hard to say.

Re: 200bb bluff
 

what the [censored] is wrong with you.

Re: 200bb bluff
 

lol

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Well, he folds AA/KK. But why can't he have a set?

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Well, he folds AA/KK. But why can't he have a set?

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Not sure that is true, he is much more likely to cbet sets than overpairs this deep, and I think that AA-KK-AQ are the vast majority of his range. Given that, I don't like it and think he will call with them most of the time.

Re: 200bb bluff
 

TAGs aren't that bad, surely?

Re: 200bb bluff
 

do you guys think this is better if the river is the 8s?

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verkligen doesn't fold

but he might be bad enough to call turn w/ AK spades or 89 spades or something

eh, it's pretty sick, but your image sucks

Re: 200bb bluff
 

Ballsy, but that's the worst river card ever for you to bluff. Also I'd make my turn raise a little bit smaller to set up a bigger shove on a blank.

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do you guys think this is better if the river is the 8s?

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no?

Re: 200bb bluff
 

Looks like he has exactly KK/AA, maybe AQ or something. I think he's going to talk himself into a call too often unfortunately, even if he feels like he's probably beat. Pretty opponent specific though.

Re: 200bb bluff
 

What are you trying to represent here with your turn raise, QQ?

The 5 is not the best river for you. If he's strong on 4th, he will likely talk himself into a call on 5th.

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dont like, I dont think he folds AQ+

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fold pre

post... hooo boy. i dont mind the turn c/r, but like, if he's not scared of you on 4th he won't be on 5th. unless he's got a combo draw or something (which is certainly a reasonable thing to hope for, actually)

Re: 200bb bluff
 

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Well, he folds AA/KK. But why can't he have a set?

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really have no idea where you come up with this stuff

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Well, he folds AA/KK. But why can't he have a set?

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really have no idea where you come up with this stuff

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Yea you really think he folds AA/KK after this river comes off after he called the turn raise? This might work vs some, but Verkligen doesn't like to fold IME.

Re: 200bb bluff
 

It's amazing how bad the post can be for how short it is. In ten words or less he

1. Completely underestimates what range is calling
2. Doesn't realize that if he needs BETTER than aces up to call than it's the greatest bluff of all time

Re: 200bb bluff
 

I think the turn raise is too large. It gives the impression that you want to win the pot now or are committing yourself with a big spade draw. But this fact does make your river bet more credible. However it seems that you're only going to get spades to fold, and you are ahead of all spades except for a 56/A5 of spades which will never fold. I would rather make a smaller c/r, and then check and maybe call a bet on a non spade river.

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it looks like you were mad he's been three betting you light so decided to mash the pot raise button on the turn he picked you off and now you feel you have to shove. kinda shtty position to be in imo.

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well i guess he folds a draw. maybeeeeeeeeeeee KQ.

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phil, thats a good way to loose his stack ....
the river card doesnt changes the turn, so he calls you here.

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Not a fan unless you have a feeling that he doesn't like folding immediately to raises, but it's probably not really bad. Some people hate to fold but then fold the follow-up almost every time, but most players will call off the river having called the turn if they have a decent hand that checked the flop for pot control. Nobody likes folding nice hands let's face it and he can probably talk himself into calling after he checked the flop.

Re: 200bb bluff
 

yea, i dont know what i was thinking. i thought in some bizarro world, id fold out AA. yea right. he snapcalled kq. blah.

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yea, i dont know what i was thinking. i thought in some bizarro world, id fold out AA. yea right. he snapcalled kq. blah.

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Yah I think a lot of people when they check the flop with a mediocre hand like KQ in that spot go nuts calling cause they think they induced a bluff on later streets.
(Which on this case i guess he did)

Re: 200bb bluff
 

I think that the biggest problem here is that you are trying to represent one hand range, but your lines do not correspond to what you are trying to rerepesent. I don't see anyone playing sets, 2 pair, overpairs this way.

If I was the villan, I would go off my reads here. There is a chance that I would lay it down on the flop or turn, but if there is any previous history of you being overly aggressive or getting caught bluffing, I would call this down as well expecting a busted straight draw or maybe JJ/1010 or similar PP.

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fwiw a better bluff line might be lead turn, c/r river