Straight but....
 

Early in the Stars $300. My image should be TAG but able and willing to make moves. Villain seems like he'd be a small loser at these stakes, not awful but a little too active and reluctant to give up on a pot.

Poker Stars, $300 + $20 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG+1: 2,975
UTG+2: 3,170
MP1: 1,590
MP2: 2,630
CO: 7,300
Hero (BTN): 5,585
SB: 1,710
BB: 3,590
UTG: 2,580

Pre-Flop: (75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
5 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to 150</font>, Hero calls 150, SB folds, BB calls 100

Flop: (475) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">CO bets 350</font>, Hero calls 350, BB folds

Turn: (1,175) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets 785</font>, CO calls 785

River: (2,745) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets 800</font>, Hero?

Is there value in a raise? How much? If less than all in, how do you respond to a 3-bet shove?

Re: Straight but....
 

hmm kinda close cuz i doubt he would call a shove with just trip aces. however, i highly doubt he has you beat because of that pussy ass river bet. I'd raise to like ~2000 and fold to a shove. He'll never 3bet you on the riv with a worse hand, and never as a bluff OR just call.

don't really know which one i like the most but i suspect math will be required

edit - 2800 maybe

Re: Straight but....
 

are we deep enough to raise and fold to a 3 bet here?

Re: Straight but....
 

not really. maybe if you minraise?

i think i usually call here, because i'm a pussy

Re: Straight but....
 

call

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2600

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I'd call here, the 4 being of hearts kills your chances of getting a raise called by an A.

Re: Straight but....
 

This looks like Ax so much. I think I shove because people don't fold three of a kind.

Re: Straight but....
 

i think i call a lot in game but usually people suck enough to justify a shove.

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i think i call a lot in game but

[/ QUOTE ] I think a minraise is pretty cool on this board.

Re: Straight but....
 

minraise

seriously

Re: Straight but....
 

I normally call. But for this villain, I mini-raise and call shove.

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Shove.

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hmm kinda close cuz i doubt he would call a shove with just trip aces. however, i highly doubt he has you beat because of that pussy ass river bet. I'd raise to like ~2000 and fold to a shove. He'll never 3bet you on the riv with a worse hand, and never as a bluff OR just call.

don't really know which one i like the most but i suspect math will be required

edit - 2800 maybe

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This was pretty much my thinking exactly. I made it 2800, puked when he shoved for 1500 move, and folded. Yes, I realize I'm getting sick pot odds, but he'd have to be ridiculously sick to 3-bet all-in with trips. 1500 chips is still 30 BB's in a well-structure tournament.

Re: Straight but....
 

Can't we make our decisions easier by raising the turn? If the board then pairs or a 4th heart hits on the river, check behind?

As presented, with the villain firing a third shell into this board, I just call. You might get a crying call to your river raise from an ace. But a re-raise will make you want to hurl.

Re: Straight but....
 

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Can't we make our decisions easier by raising the turn? If the board then pairs or a 4th heart hits on the river, check behind?

As presented, with the villain firing a third shell into this board, I just call. You might get a crying call to your river raise from an ace. But a re-raise will make you want to hurl.

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Villain checked the turn, and I bet. If Villain had bet, I would have raised.

Re: Straight but....
 

Sorry Foucault. I misread that.

I don't see how we can raise for value here. AK or AQ would cc river after cc on turn. My read would be that the villain put you on a fd and was very worried about the flush card on the turn. The river card improved him (under-full or quad aces) and now he doesn't care what you have.

Re: Straight but....
 

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Shove.

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Re: Straight but....
 

This is a really weird line to take for a made flush, check calling the turn rather than c/ring. This can be a set scared that you have a made flush, makes his boat on the river and beats weak to represent trips and get raised by the flush.

I would just call