Typical Area of Confusion - suited cards in the SB
 

Hello all, this is my first post. Getting back into playing, this time I just want to learn. So here is a hand I face often that never seems to work out. Chasing a flush from EP. Should I be out of this hand altogether? What is your strategy with this type of hand...how would you play it differently?

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, BTN calls, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, BTN calls

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls

River: (7 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets</font>, Hero folds

Results: 7 BB Pot (0.25 BB Rake)
BB mucked and WON 6.75 BB (+4.75 BB NET)

Re: Typical Area of Confusion - suited connectors in the SB
 

This is variance.

Fix your title, there are no connectors here.

edited to add
Oh, welcome to the forum, have a lolcat

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Re: Typical Area of Confusion - suited connectors in the SB
 

Sorry, I had two in mind and chose the non-suited one, typical for a first timer huh?

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At least they were suited... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

This hand is fine.

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check the flop

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check the flop

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Why?

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From EP I wouldn't have bet out on the flop. You're still drawing and not to the nuts. Otherwise I thought it played fine.

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Flush over flush is rare.
The flop is ragged enough that there is no reason to think anyone is going to bet.
The last thing you want is for this to get checked through.
With 5 players seeing the flop every bet that goes in makes you money.

Re: Typical Area of Confusion - suited connectors in the SB
 

welcome. this is fine. nh. dont forget to give read (eg your oppoents in this hand love to call call call)

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So here is a hand I face often that never seems to work out.

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likely variance or selective memory regarding not making flushes. it is surprisingly easy to remember all the times that we miss our flushes or get AA busted and forget when they win or hold up.

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You're still drawing and not to the nuts.

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dont be scared of running into a bigger flush draw here when you have QxSooted. thats mubsy.

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At least they were suited... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

This hand is fine.

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lol Kerowo wins this thread... not even sure if anyone picked up on what actually transpired..lol

Re: Typical Area of Confusion - suited connectors in the SB
 

Was it that bad a play? It's the classic SSHE "play any two suited in the SB" argument. Qx is hardly terrible here in my opinion.

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this hand is all good

ranging BB is just impossible based on his play.... i just dont see a 9 betting this river, or a naked A calling on the flop with 3 live behind him.

24 makes sense, as does A5 and A3

meh im confused and i probly call the river

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river fold is certainly not a big mistake tho, particularly if we minus the utility of information.... so yeah nh

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Was it that bad a play? It's the classic SSHE "play any two suited in the SB" argument. Qx is hardly terrible here in my opinion.

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playing Q7s here is fine. DO NOT fold this preflop here. I dont like Q7o though..that be junky!

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Was it that bad a play? It's the classic SSHE "play any two suited in the SB" argument. Qx is hardly terrible here in my opinion.

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playing Q7s here is fine. DO NOT fold this preflop here. I dont like Q7o though..that be junky!

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agreed, but not sure about that rule with only 3 limpers tho

you playing 27s here ob?

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you playing 27s here ob?

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not obviously actually. I pick my spots a bit carefully if Im playing the worst sooted connectors such as this.

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Was it that bad a play? It's the classic SSHE "play any two suited in the SB" argument. Qx is hardly terrible here in my opinion.

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This hand is fine and I was not referring to the hand in my post.

One thing though.. be careful of making such a generalization as SSHE says "play any two suited in the SB". This is def not true.

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you playing 27s here ob?

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not obviously actually. I pick my spots a bit carefully if Im playing the worst sooted connectors such as this.

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err ob = ozi battler, obv = obviously

lol... acronyms have gone too far

i fold 27s and many other suited cards in this spot and i dont think some of them are even close.

(note to op: this discussion is about the rule in general, not the hand in question, Q7s is a good hand and should never ever ever be folded here)

Re: Typical Area of Confusion - suited connectors in the SB
 

Bit off the topic, but what is the default lowest Q sooted kicker you will steal with OTB? Q6 sooted?

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you playing 27s here ob?

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yeah
http://ethelthefrog.net/sa/72-rules.jpg

seriously though it depends. How much are we paying here--ie what did we pay as the SB? If we're paying .5SB sure I'll limp w/ 72. If it's .66SB probably not.

And if BB raises I'm folding preflop when it comes back around. How's that for weird?

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Depends more on the players in the blinds, than my exact hand.

Edit: Why do you fold if BB raises, assuming you close the action your odds were just as good as your initial call?