1kNL HU: KK 200BB\'s deep
 

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Hero ($3030.50)
BB ($1813)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $310</font>, BB calls $210.

Flop: ($620) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($620) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $400</font>, Hero calls $400.

River: ($1420) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1103 (All-In)</font> Hero ???

Villain was 46.5/40/5.

He has been 3 betting me a decent amount, but nothing over agressive. I had been 3betting a decent amount as well, but this was my first ever 4 bet. He'd 4 bet a couple of times and after I called, c/f or b/f on the flop.

Re: 1kNL HU: KK 200BB\'s deep
 

bettheflop. as played i prob call

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betting flop is good, but i'm not folding as played

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bet flop, i'm calling happily here

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snapcall indeed and ya betflop

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agree with all above, bet flop and instacall now

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agree with all above, bet flop and instacall now

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regarding the river, what exactly do you put him on that makes this an insta call?

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Rough spot, what's your 4betting history (is there any?)

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Rough spot, what's your 4betting history (is there any?)

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It's in OP, but here's goes:


He has been 3 betting me a decent amount, but nothing over agressive. I had been 3betting a decent amount as well, but this was my first ever 4 bet. He'd 4 bet a couple of times and after I called, c/f or b/f on the flop.

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regarding the river, what exactly do you put him on that makes this an insta call?

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I think when you check the flop, you are making a commitment to calling down most of the time. Because you've now opened the door for him to bluff a lot

I'm happy to stack off on the flop anyway, and I don't see what's changed other than a flush that there's no reason to put him on

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regarding the river, what exactly do you put him on that makes this an insta call?

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...because people bluff with the line we took? Standard as played would always be to call, but I can understand folding river to some villains who are less likely to be bluffing.

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snap call.

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regarding the river, what exactly do you put him on that makes this an insta call?

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It doesn't matter. AQ, Qx, pocket, pure bluff. If it is set+, good for him. After reraising so much preflop HU and seeing that flop, I'll try to get this all-in no matter what.

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congrats, you're flop check induced a river shove..now call and stack the chips.

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the only reason for a flop check imo is to get this to happen on the turn and river, your land looks like TT JJ to me, i would call this rather happily, despite QQ and AA making upa chunk of his range

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Your check on the flop possibly induced bluffs. Now you have to call. I think it is worth mentioning that you hold the Kd eliminating the possibility that villain has AdKd.

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snap call as most people say. You're making him bluff here so now you call.

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I like your line, call

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call, fist pump, profit.

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this hand played out great, now call and be happy about it

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Where is the value in a flop bet? You think JJ is gonna shove the flop, or that he even has AQ?

I like OP's line.

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Maybe I'm overthinking here but I just don't think he has AQ and I doubt he's calling light often enough PF for you to call here, I fold.

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One more piece of reasoning that argues call... your hand looks like JJ-99 which you'll rarely/never bet and there's no way you have enough bluffing hands, plus if he checks it looks like he calling a lot of the time; so if he has AQ checkcalling is bad and he has to valuebet. (edit: maybe "has to" is strong 200bb deep but I don't think c/f is good in his shoes with AQ. It's not like this is a once-raised pot or a even 6-handed 3bet pot; it's headsup and you both put in &gt; 15% of effective stack pre. JJ-TT, maybe 99, are definitely in your range.)

Also if he bets the turn with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]x, which is reasonable, he'll usually shove the river, which is a few combos even if it's only AK and the occasional AJ. (Of course AdQx bets river also but as a vbet.). Obviously he can have other air too (mostly ace high I'd imagine, maybe a lower pair here and there), but Adx is even more likely to bet the turn.

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Who knows if villain is thinking this way but the first 4-bet when deep is very rarely 99-JJ

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Who knows if villain is thinking this way but the first 4-bet when deep is very rarely 99-JJ

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if that's true then he def should c/f AQ, since all your real hands beat him and you basically can't have air (I would think you'd always bet the flop with like 7c6c).

Even including JJ only (or partially weighted (preflop) JJ-TT adding up to the same likelihood as AA or KK) changes things a lot though, since the flop check is JJ more than it's KK more than it's AA.

What he does with AQ is the determining factor. Or at least, it seems like there might be enough bluffs in his range to call regardless (but maybe not), but it's a clear call if he can have AQ.

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OP: I dont think its impossible he is bluff shoving 55/66 etc trying to move you of JJ/1010.
Not to say you should show up with JJ/1010 here, but bad players make bad plays.