400NL deep w/ ak
 

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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UTG: $410.80
CO: $712.25
BTN: $405
SB: $816.20
Hero (BB): $708.70

Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, SB raises to $12, Hero raises to $52, SB calls $40

Flop: ($104) 7 9 Q (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($104) 3 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($104) K (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $74, SB raises to $764.20 and is All-In, Hero???

villian is 24.7/18.7/8 over 150 pretty active. I almost didn't bet the river because i was afraid he might bluff shove. did I induce or is he good and checked JT to me? his name is gp333 fwiw. anyone have history w/ him?

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he is a crazy crazy player. what level are you on cause he knows that you know that he knows you have ak.

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nh, fold.

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this was during my first session at 2/4. he shouldn't know that tho. at the time i knew that he knew i had AK but i don't know if he knows that.

Praetor any reasons?

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i think his reasons are something like you only beat a bluff and this is a pretty sick bluff

on the other hand your hand is either AK or air imo...but i think the first thing i says outweighs this by alot

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GP is sick......I'd check the river since he's not calling with worse after you played the hand like this. As played fold even though he probably has 55 or something.

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GP is sick......I'd check the river since he's not calling with worse after you played the hand like this. As played fold even though he probably has 55 or something.

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i thought about checking behind on the river but I didn't think he could ever have anything that had me beat.

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sorry to bump but what hands would he do this with for value? if he's check/shoving JT he has to think I'm capable of a hero call w/ AK. my "image" should basically be a random 4-tabling 2/4 player. w/o any history would he think that I'm capable of calling such a large raise w/ TPTK on this board? I would think he'd be raising less w/ a huge hand.

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this hand is awesome

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this hand is awesome

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given your line it looks like you cant call a river shove, but it would still be a sick sick sick bluff

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Definitely an interesting hand....still I don't see how a call could be right here.

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Bet flop, and just bet/fold riv... gp333 is a good solid player from my experience.

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I would fold here. GP is really really sick, but I don't think he often tries to bluff unknowns off of a perceived TPTK.

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I would fold here. GP is really really sick, but I don't think he often tries to bluff unknowns off of a perceived TPTK.

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Whaaa? This seems like an ideal spot, 200bb deep when Hero's hand is face up. But still its sick,and I'd fold. I also bet flop.

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he was raising my blind a decent amount and I didn't think he was folding any piece of the flop and c/ring a decent amount. obviously i bet the flop sometimes but i just decided to try and check this down until i hit the river. I think its fine to release results now since basically everyone said fold. naturally i called:

kenruf123: calls $582.70 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gp333: shows [Td Ah] (high card Ace)
kenruf123: shows [As Kh] (a pair of Kings)
dstumpf has returned
kenruf123 collected $1415.40 from pot

still not sure about this tho.

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I would fold here. GP is really really sick, but I don't think he often tries to bluff unknowns off of a perceived TPTK.

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Whaaa? This seems like an ideal spot, 200bb deep when Hero's hand is face up. But still its sick,and I'd fold. I also bet flop.

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Unknowns clearly don't ever fold TPTK. See results :-P

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lol

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theres like 0 value in betting the river unless you're triyng to induce some super retarded play from someone who regards you as an unknown.

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theres like 0 value in betting the river unless you're triyng to induce some super retarded play from someone who regards you as an unknown.

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no

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timing is crucial here

did this happen before or after those 2 hands where gp bluffs were posted in the cheese thread?

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I like this call when you're an unknown, especially if the player knows it. These sort of hands happened to me a bunch when I moved up or took shots at NL400 and NL600 and they were bluffs a good deal of the time. Bet flop next time so river isn't so hard [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I don't think you should bet this river if you aren't calling a c/r.

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wtf, what is all this bs talk about not betting the river if you're not calling a c/r. how often does he c/r river for like 5x pot??? this is an easy fold against 99% of players but i guess "gp is sick" so we have to consider a call or something. i'd still fold most of the time, and there is nothing inconsistent about bet/folding this river at all.

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Come on, guys. This is such an easy call and I was thinking that before I saw the results. He checked three times and then he suddenly decides to move in - I mean WTF? It doesn't make any sense to me. It smells like a bluff. I call here everytime.

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nice call. i dont know if i wouldve done the same. but if he had JT he'd prolly bet the turn, if he had a set he would've done the same hoping u had something.

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Bet the flop. fold the river.

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Bet the flop. fold the river.

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he could easily have sets here too. nice play by that fellow.

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fold it yo