AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

Villain is 26/13/3
I'm running 22/17/2 and have raised the previous 3 hands due to having good cards

I'm kinda lost with this one, should I be reraising him on the flop? I can't really let him have the lead can I?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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Hero (UTG): $127.20
BTN: $97.90
SB: $44.95
BB: $48.05

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, BTN calls $2, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($6.50) 9http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4.75</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $9.50</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $32</font>, BTN calls $22.50

Turn: ($70.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

he thought for a very long time before calling the 32.. used most of his time bank

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This is a [censored] spot,
After he calls the 30 and the spade comes off I think id normally shut down. he doesnt call 30 w/KQ does he? and the flush has now hit so im thinking shut down.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

wouldn't people that are willing to raise with the draw, usually just going to be shoving over my reraise on the flop?

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Ye thats true but then the best hand you beat is KQ right? and i really dont see him calling 30 on the flop.

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not sure.. just felt kinda lost.. anyone not reraise on the flop?

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bump for the afternoon crew

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

I usually don't 3bet this flop, but that could be a leak of mine as I usually only 3bet the flop with 2pair+ or a nice draw.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

We've got into a tough spot, we get minraised on the flop which is a strange line to take if villan had a set so im not to concerned about a set.


Mainly combo draws or just FD. We're also deep, so my main thought at the start of the hand would be to avoid a very large pot.

So i'd rather call the flop, then a bad card hits on the turn so unfortuantly ive not charged villan very much to hit the flush however now i dont feel so pot commited.

I think you should give up, i dont think your image will of skewed villans play so much that he has anything less than KQ here.

The draw has completed,if you bet now you cant really fold... can we? Expensive if we do, and what if we then get called?

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I don't like the 3 bet because it puts you in a really awkward situation when he calls and this happens.
I call the min raise and on the turn bet out if a non spade hits and on this particular turn judge by size of bet, timing etc but veering towards calling turn and folding to a river bet.

As played ugh I am not sure I think c/f is best but man it feels so weak.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

meh how often do you guys think he has a Flush here I mean isnt that more likley to push/fold flop?

If he tanked isnt a more marginal hand KQ KJ maybe JJ dunno just seems like a weird spot to just say I give up after flop action. kinda too mush in the pot to bet/fold though right?

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

Really dont like the 3bet this deep.A call is way better because re-evaluating the turn is easier and folding in the case you feel you are beat 2.
Now im lost on the turn and thats why i dont like it.

I can see A9 of spade here a lot.Or maybe he got tricky with his set , i dont say its likely but its possible.

Your hand looks like AK AA.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

it went check check on the turn.. river was another spade.. anyone bluff here?

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

meh whats the minimum you think you get looked up by here? given turn action though I cant really see how he would have a flush unless he is a FPS junkie.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

I do not mind a flop 3 bet here. At all. I check behind on the turn here and see hte river action. [censored] that spade.

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I'm just bad at playing deep, should I be leading the turn to protect from single spades?

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I'm just bad at playing deep, should I be leading the turn to protect from single spades?

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Playing deep is not my best skill either, but pot control is important here IMO.

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but pot control is important here IMO.

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so why 3-bet the flop then?

and pro - please don't post results

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but pot control is important here IMO.

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so why 3-bet the flop then?

and pro - please don't post results

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I meant on teh turn. On teh flop we need to extract value from potentially worse Ks, flush draws, and protect against he flush draw and bluffs. We see that he calls, we can now check behind as he has put in too much already with those hands to ever be profitable.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

i'm oop here, no checking behind

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

pro,

I thought your villian was the SB. Hmmm I need to read better. Ill rethink this.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

I would call the flop raise to avoid playing a big pot OOP. If we bet the turn as played I don't think we're getting any value. Against a complete donk, sure, but our turn bet here would look like a set, overpair, TPGK or spades - it shouldn't be that hard for him to play against (fold marginal hands and push the top of his range).

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it went check check on the turn.. river was another spade.. anyone bluff here?

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Well if you had AK or AA with the ace of spade you would have fire again on the turn so bluffing the 4th river spade isnt a good idea IMO if your opponant is smart.

If i was vilain i probably would call you with any decent spade seriously , but again im curious to see what vilain had.

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I hate the flop 3B. We're 200bb deep and we have TPTK not a set. I feel this is just going to let him shove his big hands that have us crushed and get away from hands like KQ.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

I think b/folding is best here. By checking you may induce a bluff and fold the best hand, unless you plan to call. By betting you can get value from KxQs and protect against one card FD. We're usually ahead of his pre-flop CCing range, and flop raise/calling range here, ex.Kx, bluff, and behind a flsh draw /set. A set shvs flp as do most FDs.

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I hate the flop 3B. We're 200bb deep and we have TPTK not a set. I feel this is just going to let him shove his big hands that have us crushed and get away from hands like KQ.

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I agree. There's not much value in 3-betting flop here. Plus we're oop. I'd rather get value from Kx here. Turn is a tough call if he bets though, and I could probably fold if he bets.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

How can we b/f here? A third of the effective stacks are already in the middle here.. After we 3-bet the flop and get called 3-way, the last thing that happens on the turn is an induced bluff. If he bets here we are beat 90% of the time.

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We've got into a tough spot, we get minraised on the flop which is a strange line to take if villan had a set so im not to concerned about a set.


Mainly combo draws or just FD. We're also deep, so my main thought at the start of the hand would be to avoid a very large pot.

So i'd rather call the flop, then a bad card hits on the turn so unfortuantly ive not charged villan very much to hit the flush however now i dont feel so pot commited.

I think you should give up, i dont think your image will of skewed villans play so much that he has anything less than KQ here.

The draw has completed,if you bet now you cant really fold... can we? Expensive if we do, and what if we then get called?

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Nice post NL Newbie. Agree with all of that.

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After we 3-bet the flop and get called 3-way, the last thing that happens on the turn is an induced bluff.

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We don't get called 3-way. We get called by villain who tanks for awhile and then calls.

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The draw has completed,if you bet now you cant really fold... can we? Expensive if we do, and what if we then get called?

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yes, good point. We wouldn't be able to fold with those odds.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

Ya I figured if I bet any significant amount on the turn I can't fold if he shoves, which is why I checked.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

My (default) line in this spot is bet/call flop, check-call any non-HUGE turn bet, check-call some rivers.

I do this because we're too deep to 3 bet this flop OOP and felt right away or proceed on the turn and river with a bloated pot -- unless we have a strong read on villain (namely, that he's the right kind of donk) and we're proceeding to lead/call almost any turn for value.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

The whole point about this hand is that you 3-bet the flop without a plan.

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I had a plan.. the spade on the turn just kinda spoiled it.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

Did he really call with a naked flush draw? Doesn't seem like he would have the odds, calling $22.5 to win $99.75.

Re: AK flops top pair 200bb deep
 

no he had KTc