quick overpair checkup
 

just getting back into things online -- this is standard right? villain is 40/5 over 150. my image is tag.

1/2 fr online

Preflop: hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">8 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

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I probably three town flop...

Maybe raise river diamonds didn't get there.

I would probably put him on TPGK

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*G*

I would reraise the flop. I he flopped a set he would prob cap. Two pair would be unlikely with this board.

I like betting out more, it ensures money if we are ahead. if he is ahead he will raise BUT if he is not he will just check behind. Given the way played I suppose he bet sensing weakness.

river is OK

Re: quick overpair checkup
 

babar,

this is fine. although you post in medium now, so i guess you could r/f the river.

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i like it.

i usually 3bet the flop but waiting for the turn to raise is a good option too

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yeah just call riv this is K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] most of the time

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perfect

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I like it.

Raising the river seems spewy to me.

I like mixing up 3-betting his C/R and raising the turn. Both are fine.

What do you do if this opponent takes you to 3-town on the turn?

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Looks good to me. Treying the flop can also be an option but popping the turn is so much more fun.

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I like your flop/turn line and play it the same. If the turn is a d or a K I just call down

I would be tempted to raise this river with the intention of folding to a 3-bet. But since villain apparently is a complete idiot I prolly end up calling a 3-bet mitigating the value of a raise.


However, I want to stress the importance of raising river donks with medium to good hands when the river is a complete brick. This is K7 or Kx or even 99 more often than a flush IMO

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Hey oink didn't you get arrested today or something

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I think you could put maybe one more raise in and call a three-bet, but calling is good too.

Since I like to raise the turn most of the time when I have no pair on a board like this, it makes a lot of sense for me to balance that play by slowplaying my aces to the turn also. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Hey oink didn't you get arrested today or something

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wtf?

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wtf?

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Yeah you're in jail heard it here sorry to be the bearer of bad news

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lol!

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i would raise the river. we don't get 3bet very often.

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This hand reminds me a little of DD's video in the Deucescracked forum where he raised the river and got shown down two pair to lose...

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This hand reminds me a little of DD's video in the Deucescracked forum where he raised the river and got shown down two pair to lose...

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i haven't watched the video.

but because he lost to two pair does that mean the river raise was incorrect?

also, we can't lose to two pair. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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This hand reminds me a little of DD's video in the Deucescracked forum where he raised the river and got shown down two pair to lose...

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i haven't watched the video.

but because he lost to two pair does that mean the river raise was incorrect?

also, we can't lose to two pair. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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No, but he talked about the player liking to donk-call and how players miss value by not raising on the end. He also talked about how he lost the hand and how unfortunate it is not to get rewarded because most of the time that raise is good.

A difference that may or may not matter... he was playing 15/30 6-max

Re: quick overpair checkup
 

hi guys, i felt like that river donk had to be a flush or some weirdass boat (although that's unlikely) enough of the time so that even raising the river wasn't right. i called and got shown kt of hearts. thanks for the replies.

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* grunch *

Flop I 3-bet. Turn can be so scary that it freezes either us or the villain and we don't get the 0.5SB more that we are planning(?) to take with a turn raise. There's plenty of draws that could hit BB's range.

Turn is good. Value and protection.

River is good. Wouldn't want to call a 3bet.

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Value and protection.



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protection has little to do with it. protection suggests we want him to fold. he's not folding anything we want him to.

this is 100% value imo

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Value and protection.

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protection has little to do with it. protection suggests we want him to fold. he's not folding anything we want him to.

this is 100% value imo

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On a two-tone turn board my thoughts were that I wouldn't mind a fold from a FD - admittedly that's not going to happen so raise is for value vs FDs.

Gutshots are the only draws that could fold to our raise. However, considering the flop 64/97 aren't in his range just about ever without a FD as well. I don't think that even 64/97 of hearts are likely.

You are spot on: it's for value only. Thanks for pointing it out to me.