No flop, full drop???
 

They began spreading 1/2 NL at our casino a couple months ago. This situation happened last week. They rake 10% up to $5.

Three limpers, CO raises to $20, folds, BB re-raises to $100, all fold.

POT: $126...until dealer rakes $5 from it.

Is this standard? I feel like I should be complaining on a couple of fronts. One, there was no flop, so why drop? Two, the pot was really $46 with $80 uncalled returned to the BB.

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The fact that they raked the raise portion is absurd. Whether or not the casino collects without a flop is up to the casino.

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Oops...I read 5% to $5. In this case, the pot is $49 with a $80 raise portion. If you want to be nitty, you can complain that they should have only raked $4...

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Oops...I read 5% to $5. In this case, the pot is $49 with a $80 raise portion. If you want to be nitty, you can complain that they should have only raked $4...

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Wouldn't they technically (whether its right or wrong to drop without a flop) drop $4.90 which anyone trying to make money would round up to $5 not round down to $4.

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I should add that in LHE the casino has a no-flop, no-drop policy.

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Wouldn't they technically (whether its right or wrong to drop without a flop) drop $4.90 which anyone trying to make money would round up to $5 not round down to $4.

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They cannot round up if they are regulated.

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Wouldn't they technically (whether its right or wrong to drop without a flop) drop $4.90 which anyone trying to make money would round up to $5 not round down to $4.

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They cannot round up if they are regulated.

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Damn regulations - too bad online poker isn't regulated.

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No flop- no drop is standard. Was floor called on this before money got dropped?

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No flop- no drop is standard. Was floor called on this before money got dropped?

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No. I was told by a dealer that this was posted on their policy board (one for the staff, away from the players) that drop is taken regardless of whether a flop has happened.

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No flop- no drop is standard. Was floor called on this before money got dropped?

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No. I was told by a dealer that this was posted on their policy board (one for the staff, away from the players) that drop is taken regardless of whether a flop has happened.

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It is becoming more common for palces to get away form no flop no drop.

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Thats pretty dirty. They only drop $1 here preflop, dropping $5 is ridiculous, pre flop.

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I think taking a rake without a flop is BS. ive never seen that before.

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I think taking a rake without a flop is BS. ive never seen that before.

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Then don't come to San Jose and play 5-200 or 10-200.
Any action, $5 drop, even if no flop.
No action (all fold), $1 drop.

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I'd still ask for the floor. Let the floor tell you this. No harm by asking for an appeal.

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In places where there isnt much competition between rooms i could see this being more common, but if ther are enough serious players, they will go where its the cheapest. supply and demand baby!

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Here in LA all the casinos as far as I know take a $1 if there is no flop.

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I was playing at the Golden Nugget a few weeks back (1-2NL). I open the pot pre-flop for a small raise. All fold. Instead of tossing me the 3 bucks in blinds....they rake the 3 bucks and give me what's left. I say, WTF? (but in a more polite way)

BTW, 2+2 legend, Capone, was at my table when this happened.


Anyway, Dealer says they are just doing what they are told. I ask for the floor. Floor says, rake stands. WTF?



Oh well. I think that (raking the blinds pre-flop) is insane but the games there are often so donktastic, I have played there since. AND FWIW.......

Everytime this situation has come up since then (in my experience), the dealer has just tossed me the 3 bucks. So some dealers (most?) must think it's a stupid rule too (ala what used to be the case at Excalibur when I played there a lot years ago; pretty much the same situation).


Best Wishes

Howard

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The way I read the OP, the rakable pot should be $47:

SB: $1
BB: $2 + $18 call of CO's raise (the $80 reraise should not be raked since it wasn't called)
Limper #1: $2
Limper #2: $2
Limper #3: $2
CO: $2 + $18 raise (called by BB)

10% of $47 = $4.70. If anything between $4 and $5 was dropped, I'd be OK with that.

As a point of reference, the Florida Seminoles do not follow the no flop/no drop convention (at least they're not supposed to - some may at the room manager's risk). If you raise and win the $3 in blinds, they will drop $1. The Brighton Seminole casino rakes in 25c increments after the first $1.

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I think taking a rake without a flop is BS. ive never seen that before.

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Several years back before the no limit boom the largest card room in the world in for example 3/6 limit holdem would drop the full $3 house drop plus $1 jackpot drop on an open raise of the blinds. In other words the open raiser would get his $6 raise back. The house dropped the blinds.

~ Rick

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I was playing at the Golden Nugget a few weeks back (1-2NL). I open the pot pre-flop for a small raise. All fold. Instead of tossing me the 3 bucks in blinds....they rake the 3 bucks and give me what's left. I say, WTF? (but in a more polite way)

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Ok... Scratch the Nugget from the list of places I will ever play again.

Only places on the strip I know of that violate the no-flop-no-drop policy are Monte Carlo and Excalibur. I assume Mandalay does as well since they and MC are so similar, but I dunno. But they aren't so insane as to count uncalled bets as part of the pot.

Wonder what Nevada Gaming would say about this?

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You sure it isn't 10% to $4 plus $1 for jackpot?

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You sure it isn't 10% to $4 plus $1 for jackpot?

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Yup...the province of Manitoba is very tight ass. We just barely have no limit. Just got automatic shufflers within the last week. There's no jackpot anywhere near this province and probably never will be.