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Bodog claims that my Uncle owes them $200. However what really happened is that my Uncle made a purchase of $200 through ACH. The payment processor which Bodog used shut down the night which my Uncle made this purchase due to U.S. legislation. As a result the money was never transferred from his bank account.

He got a letter the other day from a debt agency demanding payment. This creditor has a lot of balls as this is illegal and extortion on their part. As a result my Uncle filed a complaint with the attorney general and the Federal Trade Commission.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

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So let me get this straight. "Uncle" uses ACH to transfer $200 to his bodog account. ACH processor goes down and never collects the $200, but his bodog account was credited $200. Since the processor never collected and bodog fronted him the money, bodog claims your "uncle" owes them $200? Yeah, what a rip... Here's an idea: use the $200 that was never taken out of your bank account to pay bodog their money.

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So let me get this straight. "Uncle" uses ACH to transfer $200 to his bodog account. ACH processor goes down and never collects the $200, but his bodog account was credited $200. Since the processor never collected and bodog fronted him the money, bodog claims your "uncle" owes them $200? Yeah, what a rip... Here's an idea: use the $200 that was never taken out of your bank account to pay bodog their money.

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QFT

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Do you really want to be a scumbag deadbeat over $200? It is $200 for [censored] sake. You owe the money so just give it to them.

When people complain about payment processors being useless it is because of people like you.

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I think its funny that a company is actually willing to pursue this. There is some serious legal reprecussions this credit bureau can endure.

Whether or not he should pay really isnt my concern. Frankly I was surprised when he told me about this letter.

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Why wouldn't they pursue it? You owe them money.

Also that you confuse a collection agency with a credit bureau would imply to me that you are over estimating your legal position in the matter.

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I believe the Costa Rican thugs collect debts of only $300 and up so you should be safe.

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Did Bodog actually credit the money into your uncle's account? Did he gamble with it or is it just sitting there unused?

If Bodog actually put the money in your uncle's account and he gambled with it then he should pay them. But that's an ethical perspective and not a legal one. It's most unlikely that a U.S. court would agree that this is a valid debt.

I'm pretty shocked that a legitimate U.S. debt collection agency would take Bodog's business. Sounds like multiple federal felonies including the UIGEA and the Wire Act.

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Happened to me with UB, they never came after me for it haha

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The sad thing is you are actually proud of this.

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The object of my starting this topic was not to have people share their stealing stories. I would like to hear from some people who were sent a letter from the collection agency of Bodog and what events occured thereafter.

My uncle does not want to break the law and transferring Bodog $200 at this time would be doing just that.

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The object of my starting this topic was not to have people share their stealing stories. I would like to hear from some people who were sent a letter from the collection agency of Bodog and what events occured thereafter.

My uncle does not want to break the law and transferring Bodog $200 at this time would be doing just that.

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LOL. Come on. If my uncle mentioned all this bs to me, I would seriously think he's retarded. The fact you don't see it this way, may be an indication that there's a flaw in your gene pool. No offense.

He was fronted $200 by bodog, he donked it off, and now he doesn’t want to pay and is using UIGEA as an excuse not to pay. Fine, look at it this way: pay the collector the $200 and he won’t be breaking any internet gambling banking laws. This way bodog gets most of their money, your uncle does the right thing, and he’s not breaking any law because he’s transferring money to a COLLECTOR in America, not a gambling site.

Oh, and you can drop the uncle bs. Everyone knows it's you. Stop being a dirtbag degen.

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The object of my starting this topic was not to have people share their stealing stories. I would like to hear from some people who were sent a letter from the collection agency for Bodog and what events occured thereafter.

My uncle does not want to break the law and transferring Bodog $200 at this time would be doing just that.

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LOL. Come on. If my uncle mentioned all this bs to me, I would seriously think he's retarded. The fact you don't see it this way, may be an indication that there's a flaw in your gene pool. No offense.

He was fronted $200 by bodog, he donked it off, and now he doesn’t want to pay and is using UIGEA as an excuse not to pay. Fine, look at it this way: pay the collector the $200 and he won’t be breaking any internet gambling banking laws. This way bodog gets most of their money, your uncle does the right thing, and he’s not breaking any law because he’s transferring money to a COLLECTOR in America, not a gambling site.

Oh, and you can drop the uncle bs. Everyone knows it's you. Stop being a dirtbag degen.

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Not the response I was looking for nor do I apprieciate you making accusations which are false. I would think that this would be against forum rules.

Again I dont need a judge and jury, I need someone who has been in this situation.

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No one is going to help you because everyone knows that it is you and not your uncle and that what you are trying to find out is how bad the situation is. You don't want to pay the money back but you are worried so looking for guidance.

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Not the response I was looking for nor do I apprieciate you making accusations which are false. I would think that this would be against forum rules.


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You are in quite a position to act indignant, so get over yourself- you can't have it both ways.

What did you expect? It's donks like you who make it difficult for honest donks to have simple ways of getting money on sites, so you won't get any help here.

I will give you a clue, though. You are not dealing with bodog. You are dealing with a company that specializes in collecting money from deadbeats like yourself for all types of debts, most which have nothing to do with any type of gambling at all.

Oh, and the collection agency only gets paid once they collect the money from you, so it's in their best interest to have you pay. So... ENJOY!

PS- I think I hear your phone ringing.

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The OP has complained to me that he is being insulted and called abusive names in this thread.

Please keep the discussion civil.

Thank you.

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Let me put it to you this way.

Let's say we are at the casino and I say to you, "Will you give me $200 now and I'll go over to the ATM in a minute and withdraw $200 from it and pay you back."

You agree.

I then go to the ATM and the machine (my payment processor) goes down and I can't get the money. Do I not have to repay you the money, just because the ATM machine went down?

I think this is a good analogy. Bodog gave your Uncle money pending them being able to get to your bank account (through their payment processor) to get the funds. For whatever reason (which is irrelevent) they couldn't get the money, so they are asking your uncle for it directly.

Yes, your uncle should pay them. But like the others have said, it's unlikely they will be able to legally pursue the debt. If you are looking for absolution of sin in a public forum or for people to agree that it's okay to stick it to someone, just because of a technicality, then you are in the wrong place.

Just do what you want to do and don't ask for other's opinions and then complain when you get flammed for it.

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Yes, your uncle should pay them. But like the others have said, it's unlikely they will be able to legally pursue the debt. If you are looking for absolution of sin in a public forum or for people to agree that it's okay to stick it to someone, just because of a technicality, then you are in the wrong place.

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They might not be able to get the money but they will probably damage his credit, harass him, and embarrass him at work. He is not looking for absolution. He wants to know what will happen if he doesn't pay.

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You [censored] degenerate.

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As a representative of the collection agency involved, I can state that what are doing is 100% legal. We do not work for BoDog and are not affiliated with them at all. We do, however, work for all of their payment processors, to whom the money is owed. These payment processors process money for non gambling websites as well. You could have purchased a Plasma TV online, or bought a phone card, or gambled. So however you chose to use or spend the money is completely up to you and frankly, is not our problem. We are pursuing the intial transaction..... Any questions let me know.

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As a representative of the collection agency involved, I can state that what are doing is 100% legal. We do not work for BoDog and are not affiliated with them at all. We do, however, work for all of their payment processors, to whom the money is owed. These payment processors process money for non gambling websites as well. You could have purchased a Plasma TV online, or bought a phone card, or gambled. So however you chose to use or spend the money is completely up to you and frankly, is not our problem. We are pursuing the intial transaction..... Any questions let me know.

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Yeah yeah, just like Neteller had some non-gambling merchants!

So, you are conducting collection services on behalf of a company which is clearly conducting illegal business aka "processing illegal gambling transactions".

Yes, you are. You are so full of [censored].

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Collection agencies don't really care about stuff like that. They'll pursue you even if the debt is statue bared. They are usually dealing with deadbeats who are not that bright so they can get away with a lot.

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It's like collecting for PayPal. We don't care what you bought or what you did, we are just collecting on the transaction you did with PayPal. You cuold have bought illegal drugs on PayPal's site, soemthing whcih is illegal however you still owe for your initial transaction. We can go round and round whether it's legal or not, but the inital transactions are all collectible debts, and that was been confirmed through many legal outlets.

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It's like collecting for PayPal. We don't care what you bought or what you did, we are just collecting on the transaction you did with PayPal. You cuold have bought illegal drugs on PayPal's site, soemthing whcih is illegal however you still owe for your initial transaction. We can go round and round whether it's legal or not, but the inital transactions are all collectible debts, and that was been confirmed through many legal outlets.

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It is not legal. Your spelling is also of a 3 year old.

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Ask the moderators for spell check whem making a post.

Otherwise, I am not spending time checking my spelling. Got anything else on me?

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I screwed Party out of $5,000 by buying their phone cards and then telling the credit card company they were all false charges.

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That is called credit card fraud.

Some advice:

don't drop the soap in prison.

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Is slsmagicc really working for the collection agency in question? If he believes that what they are doing is 100% legal we will let the FTC and the attorney general decide.

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While I don't believe slsmagicc has anything to do with the collection agency it doesn't change the fact that you can complain all you want to the FTC and attorney general it won't change anything. Your credit will still get damaged. You'll still get calls at work to embarrass you into paying.

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While I don't believe slsmagicc has anything to do with the collection agency it doesn't change the fact that you can complain all you want to the FTC and attorney general it won't change anything. Your credit will still get damaged. You'll still get calls at work to embarrass you into paying.

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This is silly debate. You should ethically pay BoDog, you know what you did, and they know as well. Do you really want bad karma and a cloud over your head for the rest of your life? However legeally they can do nothing to you.

Your credit will not be ruined (how will your credit be ruined if they are trying to collect for an illegeal transaction?)
And the "creditors" will not try to collect for an illegeal transaction. If you are harassed by a "collection agency" file a lawsuit for harassment, ect. Technically what they are doing is illegeal. However is all this trouble really worth $200? I doubt it.

Im supprised that more people actually don't scam the [censored] out of pokersites and online gambling. I would never do this, because I have sound ethics and moral virture, however most people are not like me, and, well, it just seems like it would be so easy...

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I actually have everything to do with the collection agency in question here. Someone send me an email to slsmagic@aol.com and I can further explain.

We have AG's and FTC reps contact us all the time, and we always win.....probably because we can do what we do. It's such a simple concept.

If people still have questions shoot me an email at slsmagic@aol.com .

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Lol, your email for your collection agency business is @aol.com? Yeah totally legit.

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Nah I don't want to give my business email for obvious reasons. If you got beef, then shoot me an email and we can discuss. By the way the MOD can confirm my identity! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]