*official* pca sat
 

didnt see a thread, thought id start one

Dealer: Game #12768980037: PitBrett wins pot (13476) with three of a kind, Fours
Dealer: BrynKenney finished the tournament in 105th place
goy24: gg
goy24: nh
Dealer: Game #12768995407: EC10 wins pot (1900)
EC10: all it takes is confidence

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I'm at 22k

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PokerStars Game #12769039247: Tournament #63877807, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/10/21 - 21:10:49 (ET)
Table '63877807 40' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: potstabber10 (13395 in chips)
Seat 2: FU_15 (24754 in chips)
Seat 3: Vamito (2452 in chips)
Seat 4: Kroko-dill (8612 in chips)
Seat 5: ASPoker8 (22080 in chips)
Seat 6: ioyou (10096 in chips)
Seat 7: WhooooKidd (5791 in chips)
Seat 8: ffplaya22 (24710 in chips)
Seat 9: zakooza (7422 in chips)
potstabber10: posts the ante 50
FU_15: posts the ante 50
Vamito: posts the ante 50
Kroko-dill: posts the ante 50
ASPoker8: posts the ante 50
ioyou: posts the ante 50
WhooooKidd: posts the ante 50
ffplaya22: posts the ante 50
zakooza: posts the ante 50
Kroko-dill: posts small blind 300
ASPoker8: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ASPoker8 [Th Tc]
ioyou: folds
WhooooKidd: folds
ffplaya22: raises 1050 to 1650
zakooza: folds
potstabber10: folds
FU_15: folds
Vamito: folds
Kroko-dill: folds
ASPoker8: calls 1050
*** FLOP *** [4h 6s 3h]
ASPoker8: checks
ffplaya22: bets 2275
ASPoker8: calls 2275
*** TURN *** [4h 6s 3h] [Jh]
ASPoker8: checks
ffplaya22: checks
*** RIVER *** [4h 6s 3h Jh] [5c]
ASPoker8: checks
ffplaya22: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ASPoker8: shows [Th Tc] (a pair of Tens)
ffplaya22: shows [Ac Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
ffplaya22 collected 8600 from pot


rthwrj

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PokerStars Game #12769123997: Tournament #63877807, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/10/21 - 21:15:29 (ET)
Table '63877807 40' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: FU_15 (24504 in chips)
Seat 3: Vamito (7254 in chips)
Seat 4: Kroko-dill (12820 in chips)
Seat 5: ASPoker8 (17605 in chips)
Seat 6: ioyou (8946 in chips)
Seat 7: WhooooKidd (5941 in chips)
Seat 8: ffplaya22 (28235 in chips)
Seat 9: zakooza (6572 in chips)
FU_15: posts the ante 50
Vamito: posts the ante 50
Kroko-dill: posts the ante 50
ASPoker8: posts the ante 50
ioyou: posts the ante 50
WhooooKidd: posts the ante 50
ffplaya22: posts the ante 50
zakooza: posts the ante 50
zakooza: posts small blind 300
FU_15: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ASPoker8 [Qd Qs]
Vamito: raises 6604 to 7204 and is all-in
Kroko-dill: folds
ASPoker8: raises 10351 to 17555 and is all-in
ioyou: folds
WhooooKidd: folds
ffplaya22: folds
zakooza: folds
FU_15: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9c Jc]
*** TURN *** [Ts 9c Jc] [As]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 9c Jc As] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Vamito: shows [7s 7h] (a pair of Sevens)
ASPoker8: shows [Qd Qs] (a pair of Queens)
ASPoker8 collected 15708 from pot

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i feel like puking just got AA killed by the wildest player at the table just keeps nailing flops

PokerStars Game #12769097457: Tournament #63877807, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/10/21 - 21:14:02 (ET)
Table '63877807 9' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: A PLUS (16641 in chips)
Seat 3: daveLux (13370 in chips)
Seat 4: bikocruz (24219 in chips)
Seat 5: DuyTheMaster (33935 in chips)
Seat 6: BOKPOWER (13550 in chips)
Seat 7: da69kid (31417 in chips)
Seat 8: MrCasino (27658 in chips)
A PLUS: posts the ante 50
daveLux: posts the ante 50
bikocruz: posts the ante 50
DuyTheMaster: posts the ante 50
BOKPOWER: posts the ante 50
da69kid: posts the ante 50
MrCasino: posts the ante 50
da69kid: posts small blind 300
MrCasino: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to daveLux [Ad Ah]
FatalError is connected
A PLUS: folds
daveLux: raises 1189 to 1789
bikocruz: folds
DuyTheMaster: calls 1789
BOKPOWER: folds
da69kid: folds
MrCasino: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c 3c 5c]
daveLux: bets 3600
DuyTheMaster: calls 3600
*** TURN *** [9c 3c 5c] [4s]
daveLux: bets 7931 and is all-in
DuyTheMaster: calls 7931
*** RIVER *** [9c 3c 5c 4s] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
daveLux: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces)
DuyTheMaster: shows [Kc Tc] (a flush, King high)
DuyTheMaster collected 27890 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 27890 | Rake 0
Board [9c 3c 5c 4s 7d]
Seat 1: A PLUS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: daveLux showed [Ad Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: bikocruz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DuyTheMaster showed [Kc Tc] and won (27890) with a flush, King high
Seat 6: BOKPOWER (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: da69kid (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: MrCasino (big blind) folded before Flop

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out before thread started, score!

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hehe dont worry u didnt miss a lot, so many bad players to dodge still [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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currently at 14.9k

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thx

PokerStars Game #12769750041: Tournament #63877807, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2007/10/21 - 21:49:41 (ET)
Table '63877807 41' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: cane3418 (16992 in chips)
Seat 2: Mr. Tim Caum (28770 in chips)
Seat 3: thegrogger (88231 in chips)
Seat 5: ashleigh009 (21537 in chips)
Seat 6: postbear (20723 in chips)
Seat 7: FU_15 (27894 in chips)
Seat 8: Marius2910 (36264 in chips)
Seat 9: bangen (39562 in chips)
cane3418: posts the ante 100
Mr. Tim Caum: posts the ante 100
thegrogger: posts the ante 100
ashleigh009: posts the ante 100
postbear: posts the ante 100
FU_15: posts the ante 100
Marius2910: posts the ante 100
bangen: posts the ante 100
postbear: posts small blind 500
FU_15: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mr. Tim Caum [Ah Ac]
Marius2910: folds
bangen: folds
cane3418: folds
Mr. Tim Caum: raises 1700 to 2700
thegrogger: folds
ashleigh009: folds
postbear: folds
FU_15: calls 1700
*** FLOP *** [Qs As 5s]
FU_15: bets 25094 and is all-in
Mr. Tim Caum: calls 25094
*** TURN *** [Qs As 5s] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Qs As 5s Kd] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FU_15: shows [6d Ad] (a pair of Aces)
Mr. Tim Caum: shows [Ah Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
Mr. Tim Caum said, "loooooooooool"
Mr. Tim Caum collected 56888 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 56888 | Rake 0
Board [Qs As 5s Kd 3c]
Seat 1: cane3418 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mr. Tim Caum showed [Ah Ac] and won (56888) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: thegrogger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ashleigh009 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: postbear (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: FU_15 (big blind) showed [6d Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: Marius2910 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bangen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Fu_15 is the worst poker player on Stars

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23k, 36/41, prepped to bubble

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at the top, i deserve this for all the beats today. 81k.

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bustoed like 33rd... sigh gg, i was ffplay22 AS, played [censored]. card dead and playing [censored] = bad news.

a;lsdfjk;alsfjaklsfja

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omggggggggggggggg

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i quit tournaments

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bubbled the payouts

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no player on pokerstars runs as bad as me

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75k
26 left

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diagf everyone

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YUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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ship the seat.

-HighNetWorth

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ship it to fslexcduck as well

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oh wow, didnt know that was duck. makes sense though.

jon little too.

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ship the seat.

-HighNetWorth

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you're a jerk

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25th after JJ < 75o (HighNetWorth)

Then, I shove 45k in my SB into Vanessa's BB who has 90k. She should be folding everything except like AA KK there. She obv was in if she kept folding, but if she loses she is back in the mix. Instead she snap-calls with AQ which is horrible even if I show her my 85o, but she wins.

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ship the seat (arfur)

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25th after JJ < 75o (HighNetWorth)

Then, I shove 45k in my SB into Vanessa's BB who has 90k. She should be folding everything except like AA KK there. She obv was in if she kept folding, but if she loses she is back in the mix. Instead she snap-calls with AQ which is horrible even if I show her my 85o, but she wins.

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bakes said the same thing and i still vehemently disagree.

i wasn't able to fold to win the tourney at this point. i was 7/26 and only 18 get seats and it was soooo tight and moving sooooo slow. there was no way you could argue i was guaranteed a seat.

i knew that if i win this one, i WOULD be able to fold in, and if i lose well i still have a pretty good chance and some decent fold equity for sure. but i had a few shorties on my left so i COULDN'T be the one shoving random garbage.

i would have folded if i had say 105k at this point where i'm not in a position to care if i shove and DO get called by the 30k stacks on my left. but those are the guys who are prepared to call with their good hands and i wasn't prepared to lose 30k with only 90k at that point when 60k was well below final chip average. so i called.

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fwiw, I agree with duck, it takes forever to go from 26 to 18. Also, you have to keep in mind that the bubble is going to bust when you're 6 or 7 handed, so you need a much bigger stack to be comfortable.

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that call sounds terrible. there really isnt that much of a difference at all between 90k and 105k at that point either.

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24 down to 18 moved really fast. They moved fast last week too.

Even the most conservative estimate for you Vanessa, in my opinion, is a 90% chance of qualifying with your 90k stack by avoiding any significant risks. Frankly I think this number is more like 97% because you can make a few cheap steals preflop (like you had been doing) and maintain your stack, not to mention that everyone was playing really aggro and it was only a matter of time where you would walk in. People got in with like 25k and it wasn't nearly that many orbits after I was eliminated.

Okay, so let's look at the 90% figure. You correctly put me on any two cards to shove in that spot. AQo is about 65% versus my range. So 35% of the time you are down to 45k, 65% of the time you are definitely in (100%).

Now it's just a matter of determining the chance of getting in with 45k. At the time there were probably 14 stacks within this range, 7 of which got seats. I estimate that you're probably around 50% in this situation. But even if we look at the best case scenario for you, say like 70% with 45k, it would still be a fold.

30% to lose with a 45k stack mulitplied by the 35% of the time you get to that spot, 10.5% chance you bust by calling with AQo there. 10% if you just fold.

Again, those are really conservative figures and they still point to a fold. If you use say 95% with your current stack and say 50% with 45k, .35*.5 = 17.5% to lose by calling with AQo verus 5% to lose by avoiding risk.

It's not really close in my opinion. Anyways, congrats on the seat. The point of my post is not to berate you or anything, it was merely to create discussion on what you should be calling with there as it was what I considered when making the shove. If it comes off negatively, I apologize, it's probably just my frustration from bubbling 2 PCA seats this weekend.

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now you're just pulling numbers out of your ass. If it did go really fast as you said, why couldn't she have folded her way into a win with 45k?

There's a huge difference between having your bb raised every round and getting a walk. Showing that she'll defend it is a big step in that direction. Also, if busting you makes her the table leader or 2nd and to the left of the leader I think it's 100% call.

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yeah that's definitely a fold vanessa, sats are retarded

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people were playing sooooooooooo loose and bad when we got down to 3 tables. a 90k stack was more than enough to fold in. AQ is a turbo fold there.

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now you're just pulling numbers out of your ass. If it did go really fast as you said, why couldn't she have folded her way into a win with 45k?

There's a huge difference between having your bb raised every round and getting a walk. Showing that she'll defend it is a big step in that direction. Also, if busting you makes her the table leader or 2nd and to the left of the leader I think it's 100% call.

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I never claimed they were perfect numbers, I said they were estimations. Even my really conservative guesses showed it was a fold. Perhaps you could provide some different numbers.

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sats ARE retarded, I browsed craigthedeac's numbers and they look pretty similar to mine. fold :\ but at least we have another donkey at the PCA :P

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Perhaps you could provide some different numbers.

[/ QUOTE ]Meh, I guess I'm just an aggrodonk who spite calls cause I know you're pushing junk and I defend my blinds too much. I wasn't there so I can't really know [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Perhaps you could provide some different numbers.

[/ QUOTE ]Meh, I guess I'm just an aggrodonk who spite calls cause I know you're pushing junk and I defend my blinds too much. I wasn't there so I can't really know [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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No offense but you're dead wrong and you kind of are just saying "AQ beats a random hand so gogogo"

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Naw I wasn't saying that, I was kind of playing devil's advocate and arguing for the sake of arguing. Sats are so situationally dependant that I really have no idea how that hand should have been played and it seems that the concensus is with fold, so I am cool with that.

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I felt this sat was moving very fast.

Lots of people who prolly satd into the sat playing wayyy too tight /w short stacks. Also the big stacks were very good at putting mass pressure on all teh short stacks.

I think you have enough chips to survive without calling with the aq