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So far, Mitt had a hair out of place, Fred called Teddy Kennedy a fatty and Mitt, 9/11 hero, Ol Fred, and McCain are arguing over who is the biggest conservative ever.

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As a conservative, I'm not overly impressed with the talent pool this year.

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THE STUPIDITY IS HURTING MY BRAIN!

somebody count how many times "Hillary Clinton" has been said.

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they sure did a good job marginalizing Ron tonight. Idiots.

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what channel is this on?

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LOL @ person in Fox Focus group saying Hillary Clinton is a Marxist.

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Fox news

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it wasn't a Republican debate; it was an anti-Hilary debate.

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Dangit. Ron Paul get more time than last debate?

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Yeah, and the guy who said it was "hell" under Bill Clinton. I'm conservative, but it wasn't near any hell at all, not even close.

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Dangit. Ron Paul get more time than last debate?

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nope. He got about 4 questions, and his answers were met by loud boos/ some applause, but as usual it was cut off. The crowd tonight were rabid war- mongers.

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lol, @ Hannity and the elf looking dude when they said Ron Paul is winning the text vote.

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they sure did a good job marginalizing Ron tonight. Idiots.

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He does quite well at marginalizing himself, he doesnt need their help

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Missed the debate but saw Huckabee's "nothing funny about Hillary" comments...if that was the tone of everyones comments, right on! The earlier she's attacked the better.

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Carl Cameron admitted Paul's in the top tier...

And I'm sure Frank Lutz's focus group is way more accurate than an uncontrolled nationwide text poll.

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He does quite well at marginalizing himself, he doesnt need their help

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QFT

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they sure did a good job marginalizing Ron tonight. Idiots.

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He does quite well at marginalizing himself, he doesnt need their help

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I suppose that depends on your point of view. I think he does a great job saying what he means. I'm a registered Dem and I'm considering switching parties to vote for him, or just stick with Obama.

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I'm a registered Dem and I'm considering switching parties to vote for him, or just stick with Obama.

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Does not compute.

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I'm a registered Dem and I'm considering switching parties to vote for him, or just stick with Obama.

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Does not compute.

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I'm going with the personal liberties platform.

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The crowd at Fox's debates always tend to be a little on a goose-stepping side. Obviously the text polling is not scientific, but neither is polling those "Clinton era was hell" morons. The best Paul fans can hope for is that his message rubs off on those who have more influence.

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Does not compute.

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I'm a registered Democrat, and not only will I vote for Paul in the primaries, but I also donated to his campaign. I think that the candidates from both parties share very dangerous delusions, and the more chances Paul has to make his point, the better off it'll be for the country.

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Paul wasn't very effective in this debate. I think he tried to tie too many things into his answers and ended up making no sense.

I thought that Thompson did a nice job tonight. Romney had one of his poorer performances, and Rudy was average. McCain had the best line of the night (I was tied up during Woodstock), even if it was obviously canned. Huckabee was super Christian and creepy.

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Does not compute.

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I'm a registered Democrat, and not only will I vote for Paul in the primaries, but I also donated to his campaign. I think that the candidates from both parties share very dangerous delusions, and the more chances Paul has to make his point, the better off it'll be for the country.

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I was referring to the fact that he is so adamant about voting for Paul, but will settle for Obama. As far as I can tell they are pretty different in their views...

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Does not compute.

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I'm a registered Democrat, and not only will I vote for Paul in the primaries, but I also donated to his campaign. I think that the candidates from both parties share very dangerous delusions, and the more chances Paul has to make his point, the better off it'll be for the country.

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I was referring to the fact that he is so adamant about voting for Paul, but will settle for Obama. As far as I can tell they are pretty different in their views...

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ALSO RON PAUL IS A RACIST HOW CAN AN OBAMA SUPPORTER VOTE FOR A KNOWN RACIST!!!!!!????!!!!

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Paul wasn't very effective in this debate. I think he tried to tie too many things into his answers and ended up making no sense.

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I agree, I think he was underwhelming in the last two debates, just when he least needed to be. Then again, if those Fox goose-steppers booed him, then they must've got the point well enough. I hope this kind of treatment results in a backlash just like it did after South Carolina debate.

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Tancredo won't get much credit, and I don't support him, but I really liked his answers. He did good. I think everyone can agree that Duncan Hunter needs to step out of the way.

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Only to silly neocons, not with independents or real old school conservatives.

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I am watching the re-run of this and 15 minutes in it seems like they have a Hilary complex.

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Yup.

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If you're going to have a drinking game while watching the debates, then you probably shouldn't drink every time you hear "Hillary", unless you want to miss the last three quarters of it. You probably shouldn't use "the next question is for Ron Paul" either, unless you want to walk away completely sober.

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Did Hunter attack JFK for not invading Cuba?

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lol yeah. Also, we need to watch out for those ChiComs. Crazy Red bastards...

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Frank Lutz's focus group is way more accurate than an uncontrolled nationwide text poll.

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I'm not sure if I'm missing sarcasm here, but this statement is very much correct (although I saw neither the focus group nor the text poll results).

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God, watching these debates makes me angry. I honestly can't believe how the crowd starts booing every time Paul says something that's just pure common sense. It's funny because you see all these great ideas, and you think that maybe if you just reach enough people, you can change the country, but then you watch something like this and it's a really stark reminder of just how stupid the average voter is. I guess things will just keep going downhill until we're all paying 70% income taxes to subsidize seven different wars at once.

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FWIW, among the mainstream candidates, Thompson's the only one I could see myself supporting at all. He at least seems to be a genuine conservative on most issues whereas Romney's more big-government than a lot of the democrats and Giuiliani seems hell-bent on expanding the military industrial complex and destroying personal liberties. Oh, and if you really want a drinking game that will send you to the hospital, just take a shot every time Romney says "Ronal Reagan". His pandering's so transparent that it's ridiculous.

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FWIW, among the mainstream candidates, Thompson's the only one I could see myself supporting at all. He at least seems to be a genuine conservative on most issues whereas Romney's more big-government than a lot of the democrats and Giuiliani seems hell-bent on expanding the military industrial complex and destroying personal liberties. Oh, and if you really want a drinking game that will send you to the hospital, just take a shot every time Romney says "Ronal Reagan". His pandering's so transparent that it's ridiculous.

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For me I rank them:

Ron Paul
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Mike Huckabee
(small gap)
Fred Thompson
(huge gap)
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain

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McCain re the Woodstock Concert Museum "I was tied up at the time".

Paul winning the text pool after this debate is proof that its just flooding. He was awful, barely coherent, showed a lack of concentration early on. The positions he take are marginal to the majority of the GOP.

I think Huckabee and Romney showed the best, but Giuliani didn't hurt himself and he is still the most electable of the candidates.

Thompson is totally unimpressive.

I don't see why everyone is surprised at the Hillary mentions. They were appropriate to the questions, and she is clearly the Dem candidate.

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For me I rank them:

Ron Paul
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Mike Huckabee
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Fred Thompson
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Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain

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Yeah, I agree with that ordering completely. The differences I'd have would be as small as maybe putting Thompson directly below Huckabee with no gap and then adding a gap between Giuiliani and McCain. I swear, every time McCain says something remotely relating to foreign policy, I get a little shiver down my spine and a vision of a nuclear armageddon. I'm so glad that he's not a frontrunner anymore.

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Standard. imo.

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I just caught a few minutes of the debate, so I cannot comment on the substance, but did anybody else think Ron Paul looked younger, tanner, and had more hair? Maybe he had a professional make up artist do a little touch up before the debate. Not a bad idea, if true.