$11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

This is today's 100K...

It's about 5 min's until the first bubble breaks. (Pays $17.69) I can easily fold into the money.


I would rate UTG as an average player, average level of aggressiveness.

How should I play this?

Poker Stars, $10 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 500/1,000 Blinds, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: 9,400
UTG: 14,273
UTG+1: 9,332
Hero (UTG+2): 12,550
MP1: 14,930
MP2: 16,230
CO: 6,515
BTN: 17,630
SB: 17,290

Pre-Flop: (2,400) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
<font color="red">UTG raises to 4,000</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">Hero ?</font>

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

Push? Woudn't AA or KK raise a bit less?

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

any play but pushing or calling then calling any bet on any flop is horrible

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

Screw folding into the money. Folding into the money is atrogeus. Folding QQ is awful. Folding passively before the bubble is crap. Being scared to bubble in MTTs is horrid. /rant. Shove.

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

OK here are some more thoughts...

Since UTG is raising, I have to believe this is a premimum hand (JJ+, AQ+). I don't believe they have AA because they'll raise less hoping to get more than just the blinds.
And QQ isn't likely because I have two...

So that leaves AQ, AK, KK and JJ... I dominate AQ and JJ, the AK's are a flip, and UTG dominates me with KK

My "real" options are Push and Call.

If I push, more than half the time I am flipping or being dominated.

If I call, I can play a flop in position... (and hope it doesn't come down AKJ - LOL)

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

calling's not an option either...you really think calling 1/3 of your chips and folding to a less than favourable flop is a good option?

you're short and it's an ridiculously easy push...this is the hundred grand...the average player in this tourney doesn't have a sense of position so his range for raising utg is the same as LP.

From the sounds of it you're trying to convince us that you should find a fold here because you lost a race or something...but no you can't, shove it all day.

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

folding for the cash isn't really worth it is it? You profit a little more than $6...
I agree with don.. i've played the 100K guaranteed tourney, some of the worst plays i've seen have come from this tourney... i wouldn't take into consideration the position of the raise... i'd shove shove shove.

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

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calling's not an option either...you really think calling 1/3 of your chips and folding to a less than favourable flop is a good option?

you're short and it's an ridiculously easy push...this is the hundred grand...the average player in this tourney doesn't have a sense of position so his range for raising utg is the same as LP.

From the sounds of it you're trying to convince us that you should find a fold here because you lost a race or something...but no you can't, shove it all day.

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Wow, my tells are that obvious? Nice job. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I was just thinking that if UTG had AK, they would have a tough time folding versus my all-in raise preflop but if I pseudo-stop-N-go'd on a blank flop I get the pot and I'm always getting the token tournament cash, all with out needing to race...

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

"cashing" in an $11 tourney is worthless. It's the spots at the top of the paygrade that make the tournament worth entering in the first place. If you're considering folding QQ on the bubble in this situation, then you should probably ask yourself if you're playing to win $6 or maximize your chances of placing high and/or winning the tournament. there may be a sense of accomplishment in "reaching the money", but I think a lot of players would rather bust on the bubble trying to build a competitive stack than to fold their way into a small amount of money.

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

lot of talk by everyone just to say push

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lot of talk by everyone just to say push

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if he doesn't understand the reasons to push, he comes back asking the same question the next time he has a strong hand on the bubble

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

QQ is nice...1st place is better than 2nd place is better than 3rd place....etc etc

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

I hear you guys... It just stung a little having my QQ's cracked by AK right before the bubble burst.

And then I started thinking that AK is a very likely holding for UTG in that position and do you I want to be racing at this point? That's when I started thinking about the strategy of calling and then push on a blank flop.

I think it's clear that an opponent raise in any other position other than UTG is an EASY push by me.

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

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I hear you guys... It just stung a little having my QQ's cracked by AK right before the bubble burst.



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Lousy result, but easily the correct play. The only spot I would fold QQ there is if you are in a satelite where x number of players get in, but in this case you should welcome this spot, this is your chance to chip up and go for a real nice score. Playing to cash sux, and should only be done if you are clearly at the bottom of the remaining players in chips and can't really accomplish much more. In this spot, chipping up is more important than cashing!!

Re: $11 Sunday 100K on the bubble
 

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OK here are some more thoughts...

Since UTG is raising, I have to believe this is a premimum hand (JJ+, AQ+). I don't believe they have AA because they'll raise less hoping to get more than just the blinds.
And QQ isn't likely because I have two...

So that leaves AQ, AK, KK and JJ... I dominate AQ and JJ, the AK's are a flip, and UTG dominates me with KK

My "real" options are Push and Call.

If I push, more than half the time I am flipping or being dominated.

If I call, I can play a flop in position... (and hope it doesn't come down AKJ - LOL)

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UTG's raising range ON THE BUBBLE in a $11 tournament is MUCH wider than JJ+/AK. If it's close to the bubble and I have anything remotely close to a decent stack I'm raising a huge range stealing blinds from people like you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

QQ is an absolute monster here - if you don't push, you are not maximizing your EV.


If cashing in a $10 for a $7 profit is a big deal to you - I would not play $10 tournaments.