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So I've done a very little bit of reading, and I've found that getting a pump doesn't do a single thing for you in terms of increasing strength or muscle mass. So naturally I don't get it. A lot of people on here and in the gym talk about it like it's their main goal or some retarded [censored]. I can understand how someone would want to be a bodybuilder, despite not wanting it for myself.

I guess I just don't understand someone wanting it so bad when all it is is a temporary cosmetic effect (affect?). It goes away. Your muscles didn't grow because of it. You didn't get stronger because of it.

So, all you guys who rave about the pump, this is your chance to enlighten me. Does it keep you motivated or something?

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umm. i don't really consider it motivation or an important part of what i do, but it does feel good, and it is fun to flex in the mirror when nobody is watching.

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*ahem*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzI-UQ-JsaQ (not a rickroll)

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There are lots of arguments between experts on both sides of the coin on this one. What most agree on is that acheiving a pump is beneficial in this way: If a person is training with heavy weight and low to moderate reps, and acheiving a pump, it is an indication that they are effectively targeting the muscle or muscle groups that they are training.

Anyone can get a pump by doing 40 reps of curls or any other exercise for that matter.. Obviously this is not the optimal strategy to pack on muscle or to increase muscle strength.

In my opinion, acheiving a pump with low to moderate reps and moderate sets, is a good indication that a person is no longer a beginner and has built enough muscle and achieved enough of a "mind/muscle connection" to striclty hit the muscles they are training.

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Your mom achieved a pump.

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From Arnold,

"The greatest feeling you can get in a gym, or the most satisfying feeling you can get in the gym is... The Pump. Let's say you train your biceps. Blood is rushing into your muscles and that's what we call The Pump. You muscles get a really tight feeling, like your skin is going to explode any minute, and it's really tight - it's like somebody blowing air into it, into your muscle. It just blows up, and it feels really different. It feels fantastic." "It's as satisfying to me as, uh, coming is, you know? As, ah, having sex with a woman and coming. And so can you believe how much I am in heaven? I am like, uh, getting the feeling of coming in a gym, I'm getting the feeling of coming at home, I'm getting the feeling of coming backstage when I pump up, when I pose in front of 5,000 people, I get the same feeling, so I am coming day and night. I mean, it's terrific. Right? So you know, I am in heaven."

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nice hand.

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All of the people I have seen IRL who ever discuss attaining a pump or "feeling it" are the people that a) will never deadlift and b) should just kill themselves.

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All of the people I have seen IRL who ever discuss attaining a pump or "feeling it" are the people that a) will never deadlift and b) should just kill themselves.

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I love deadlifts. By far my favorite exercise.

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There are lots of arguments between experts on both sides of the coin on this one. What most agree on is that acheiving a pump is beneficial in this way: If a person is training with heavy weight and low to moderate reps, and acheiving a pump, it is an indication that they are effectively targeting the muscle or muscle groups that they are training.

Anyone can get a pump by doing 40 reps of curls or any other exercise for that matter.. Obviously this is not the optimal strategy to pack on muscle or to increase muscle strength.

In my opinion, acheiving a pump with low to moderate reps and moderate sets, is a good indication that a person is no longer a beginner and has built enough muscle and achieved enough of a "mind/muscle connection" to striclty hit the muscles they are training.

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I don't agree that achieving a pump indicates whether you are making progress and hitting your muscles hard. If you can put some progress on paper, that is progress. That progress is either increased volume, weight, workload or muscle mass imo.

Also, can anyone here say they achieved a pump from squatting or deadlifting? Those are two of the most effective muscle and strength builders yet they don't seem like the type of exercises to get a pump from. Am I wrong here?

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i can get a pump from squats for sure...deadlifts i guess sometimes but its a diff feeling pump sorta and not very intense

-Mike

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i can get a pump from squats for sure...

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In your quads?

edit: I'm going to save a step and add that I'm suspicious of your depth.

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How come no one talks about how it feels like coming when they get an ass pump from reverse hypers?

Would that be more ghey than talking about how swoll you are and flexing in the mirror while other guys ask how your glute striations are coming in?

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Also, can anyone here say they achieved a pump from squatting or deadlifting? Those are two of the most effective muscle and strength builders yet they don't seem like the type of exercises to get a pump from. Am I wrong here?

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After a heavy set of deadlifts or squats I can tell you I get more of a pump than any exercise. After squats the 'pump' in my legs is unmatched.

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After a heavy set of deadlifts I feel like I got raped like Norton in AHX.

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FYP

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*ahem*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzI-UQ-JsaQ (not a rickroll)

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wtf? you missed his best line. "A pump is better than coming."

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Im coming day and night

First part is the same as the other video.

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Im coming day and night

First part is the same as the other video.

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Say hello to your future president guys.

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There's no way to create the same effect on the quads with squats that you get with the biceps and curls (as an example). You can get closer by not going deep, but there are still too many major muscle groups to pick up slack as your quads fatigue to achieve the same levels of fatigue you can get in a single joint isolation exercise. You can get something in the same family of thing, but different imo.

I too have felt the intense burn/quad fatigue from doing squats and experienced the existential crisis one can get from deads or squats-- but my first instinct (and skepticism) is going to be to question either the range of motion on the squat or how extreme the pump effect you are reporting truly is. I suspect the leg press machine will actually give you that (but I don't use it, so don't know).

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im with shemp...i've never gotten an "arnold" type pump from doing deads/squats...i really only get them in my biceps and forearms...but to be honest i don't think it really feels that great...

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i've never gotten an "arnold" type pump from doing deads/squats...i really only get them in my biceps and forearms...but to be honest i don't think it really feels that great...


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That's probably because you're not bat-[censored] [censored] insane.

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i've never gotten an "arnold" type pump from doing deads/squats...i really only get them in my biceps and forearms...but to be honest i don't think it really feels that great...


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That's probably because you're not bat-[censored] [censored] insane.

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Very nice.

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curls is an isolation exercise. No way to get a pumpfeeling like that from squats.

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Obv going for the pump is silly, and using it as a training guide could be misleading. However, going for stimulated blood flow and lactic acid in the muscle is probably beneficial. This is the idea of programs like Westside that will alternate low-rep-heavy days (when you stress the muscle) with high-rep-light days to stimulate the muscle growth (eg. get a "pump"). This is also the idea behind doing a light 1x100 at the end of a workout.

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Of course, Arnie forgot to mention the "breakfast of champions" -50 MG of Dianobols he took every day to assist him with his INSANE pumps..

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I have no clue wtf anyone is talking about in this thread.

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Im coming day and night

First part is the same as the other video.

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Say hello to your future president guys.

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not to nit this thread but I'm pretty sure he cannot run for president as he isn't a natural born citizen of the U.S.

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yea this is definitely one of the weirdest threads I've read in awhile. I lift, and when I lift hard I get the feeling that I guess you guys describe as "the pump". Is there something wrong with that or what?

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yea this is definitely one of the weirdest threads I've read in awhile. I lift, and when I lift hard I get the feeling that I guess you guys describe as "the pump". Is there something wrong with that or what?

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No. But talking about it like Arnie does is very weird.

I think OP wanted to find out whether it was in any way beneficial to get "a pump" and if it should be something to seek for.

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yea this is definitely one of the weirdest threads I've read in awhile. I lift, and when I lift hard I get the feeling that I guess you guys describe as "the pump". Is there something wrong with that or what?

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No. But talking about it like Arnie does is very weird.

I think OP wanted to find out whether it was in any way beneficial to get "a pump" and if it should be something to seek for.

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Yea the way Arnold was talking about it was weird, but I thought that the Pump just naturally occurred after lifting some solid weight.

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Yea the way Arnold was talking about it was weird, but I thought that the Pump just naturally occurred after lifting some solid weight.

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From what I gather it happens more on isolation lifts where you train to failure and less on compound lifts/or when you don't train to failure.

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Yea the way Arnold was talking about it was weird, but I thought that the Pump just naturally occurred after lifting some solid weight.

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The question is whether the pump is actually something beneficial (or an indicator of something beneficial) and whether or not you should train "for the pump".

The most basic modern philosophy would say that if you're moving an increasing amount of big weight around it doesn't matter if you get a pump or not. And most of the hard compound lifts are not conducive to pumpage.

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Yea the way Arnold was talking about it was weird, but I thought that the Pump just naturally occurred after lifting some solid weight.

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From what I gather it happens more on isolation lifts where you train to failure and less on compound lifts/or when you don't train to failure.

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yes thats true.

Its just an effect that we feel. It has nothing to do with how effective the training is.

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What Arnold said. I wonder if he ever banged Louie's sister.

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I didn't use to feel a squat work-out was complete until I used the leg-extension machine after, no matter how rubbery my legs were. When you hear all about pump this and pump that for years, it's hard to get it out of your system.

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I like to get a pump and go to the beach/pool. Impress the hoes.

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FWIW:

My main goal on a daily basis, if its a weight day, is to achieve a sustained "pump". I do not achieve it and then stare in the mirror, it is most assuredly NOT for cosmetic reasons. I have noticed over many years of training that my most effective gains come after bringing myself past the point of failure (not a breakthrough, I know, and then only after proper recovery). The best indicator of moving past failure for me is the pump. If I hit a really good pump that is focused into the specific muscle I've been working, I will hurt the next day (the good kind of hurt). To get into the pump and work with/through it for a couple sets, drop sets, forced reps, and super/tri sets are the way to go for me.

OP, I think that if you trained for a week ensuring that you get a pump through your target muscle, you will see what I'm saying. As an aside, even though I have a strong back it is the hardest area/muscle group to pump, and it is the area that hurts the least the day after I hit it hard.