play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

from 50/100nl chat they just had:

Ansky451: ill stay in case someone comes but im not gonna
play u hu just to hope a game starts
Ansky451: u remember me?
Ansky451: we played in barcelona, mb not
play2kill: yeah somehow [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
play2kill: ah for sure [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Ansky451: mind if i ask u a question
play2kill: how are you doing, excuse me though got some
games to play
play2kill: sure
Ansky451: im doin pretty good lately
Ansky451: care to comment about the whole wcoop thing?
play2kill: nice
play2kill: well, they dont have any evidence it was me, my
sister had her own ip she played on
play2kill: no multiaccounting from her side went on
Ansky451: so u are saying they took 1.2 mil w/o evidence?
play2kill: yupp
play2kill: i mean, she hasnt played much poker before..
play2kill: she was in the states when she played
play2kill: so its no doubt that i didnt play..
play2kill: altough ppl tend to think it was the same ip
play2kill: whihc is totally of
Ansky451: so are you looking in to any legal action or what?
cause i doubt ud just let that happoen w/o any evidence?
play2kill: for sure we are
play2kill: they have no right to just take the money like that
Ansky451: nah i mean i saw the statement stars made, they
said that it was 2 different IPs... that part was known
play2kill: yupp
play2kill: she was in the states.. i was in london
play2kill: its ridicoulus
play2kill: they dont wanna let the money go, i think they wanna
make an example
Ansky451: hmm
play2kill: because ofc its likely that i played but theres no
evidence, and she played from usa
play2kill: i mean, how could it be me!?
play2kill: so sick, cant believe they took her money
Ansky451: well
Ansky451: yeah its sick
Ansky451: but u obv understand the suspision
Ansky451: i have no idea what evidence they found so i cant
comment on that
play2kill: yepp ofc, but nothing points at that it was me except
that i am her brother
Ansky451: i see
play2kill: ruthless handling by pokerstars
Ansky451: so are you banned from stars now?
play2kill: yeah [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

He says a lot of things but never specifically "I didn't do it and had no part in it.". His tone sounds really like a guilty man who thinks he has a chance to get the money if he continues to act innocent.

edit: Instead of "I didn't do it", he says "They have no evidence it was me". Guess which thing an innocent man would immediately say on the topic.

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

1% of the time it was ghosting
99% of the time he was cheating in some way and just rerouted the IP or something.

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I would like to see what stars thinks of all of this, like if they could release some better evidence but idk if they can/will

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I would like to see what stars thinks of all of this, like if they could release some better evidence but idk if they can/will

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I had a feeling this would get posted.

I don't think stars has any obligation, nor an interest, in posting their evidence.

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who cares, how did ansky do in the 5-1 game? when did he move up? how sick is he? will be be busto soon?

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honestly this POS [censored] Telscher just ruins Thuritz' rep, I feel bad for him

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who cares, how did ansky do in the 5-1 game? when did he move up? how sick is he? will be be busto soon?

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they both had around 13k on the table and sitting out when chatting, i think

but this isnt really important...or is it? lol [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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honestly this POS [censored] Telscher just ruins Thuritz' rep, I feel bad for him

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I take it that both of them play on the same account?

If so, cant the account get banned for doing this too, or not?

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who cares, how did ansky do in the 5-1 game? when did he move up? how sick is he? will be be busto soon?

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they both had around 13k on the table and sitting out when chatting, i think

but this isnt really important...or is it? lol [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I was sitting cause my best friend Glove55 was sitting for a bit. I won about 3k and quit when glove left.

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0.0001% of the time it was ghosting
99.9999% of the time he was cheating in some way and just rerouted the IP or something.

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play2kill: because ofc its likely that i played but theres no
evidence, and she played from usa

lol. if i did it.... this is how i would have..

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

sorry about the stupid question but wtf does play2kill have to do with thevoid?

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sorry about the stupid question but wtf does play2kill have to do with thevoid?

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thevoid=p2k

(supposedly)

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

play2kill playing 25-50 cap plo on ftp now

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so i guess he was playing on his own account and accidentally "railing" his sister´s play all the time and thats what made stars suspicious, right? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

most of the conversation with ansky sounds like he seems to be the very prick in real life that he is on television - proud of what he did (and how cleverly he did it, leaving "no" evidence ...) and not seeing any fault in what he did. guess thats why duthie called him a disfunctional, annoying child during ept live coverage.

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

i sat to the right of thev0id for the majority of my tourney and i can almost guarantee that was mark playing and theres no way in hell it was his sister.

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i sat to the right of thev0id for the majority of my tourney and i can almost guarantee that was mark playing and theres no way in hell it was his sister.

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Both hands?

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

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play2kill: well, they dont have any evidence it was me, my sister had her own ip she played on

play2kill: no multiaccounting from her side went on

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lol. nobody is accusing your ghost account of multiaccounting, douche, just you. personally i love this. i'm sure he thought he was brilliant before the tourney started. "omg my other accounts are logged in from the US, I'll never get caught!!"

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

I believe this says it all:

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play2kill: i mean, she hasnt played much poker before..


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1st tournament she ever enters in PokerStars is $2600. She manages to beat a field of top-notch pros although she's a novice poker player. I'd snapcall his bluff.


But yeah, if they entered from 2 different IP's (Teltcher playing from UK, her sister playing from States) then PokerStars is lacking pretty much some huge evidence. They need logs from ISP in order to prove Teltcher was rerouting.

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

I've heard from sources close to Telscher in London that he's admitting that he cheated......

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

If Marc rarely play on Play2Kill why you guys are sure it's him ??

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But yeah, if they entered from 2 different IP's (Teltcher playing from UK, her sister playing from States) then PokerStars is lacking pretty much some huge evidence. They need logs from ISP in order to prove Teltcher was rerouting.

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they dont need to prove he was rerouting. if they analyze every hand the suspected accounts played in the tourney i'm sure its easy to determine if it's different people playing on the accounts. then other evidence, such has if he funded the accounts with the transfer feature, and where the money went after the win, is enough to confiscate.

not like they need evidence anyway. notice how nobody is flipping out over this. you dont think play2kill would have posted on 2+2 and other forums pleading his innocence if he truly were?

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TheVoid's location in the lobby of the mtt is London...and he said she played from USA...just solved the case...you are welcome stars...

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TheVoid's location in the lobby of the mtt is London

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during the tourney it was monte carlo.

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

so why is it london now...is that stars way of saying it was play2kill, cause he is from london...?

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who knows/cares

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who knows/cares

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</3 augie

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

Marks sister lives in London.

I've heard from a reliable source that he has been playing multible accounts in turnaments - cant say if he did it in this tournament though.

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dumb Q, but i thought the guy that played the tournies was diff than the guy that plays cash games on that name.

wouldn't that mean you were talking to the cash guy and not the tournament player?

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who knows/cares

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</3 augie

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lol im just saying its irrelevant what location is listed on the account. you can put "valuetown" there and it will show up.

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who knows/cares

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</3 augie

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lol im just saying its irrelevant what location is listed on the account. you can put "valuetown" there and it will show up.

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I don't think you got what I was saying. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

Hasn't anyone ever heard of VPN software? He could play an account/PC from anywhere and the IP would be local, while he's on another continent playing his other account with its local IP.

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who cares, how did ansky do in the 5-1 game? when did he move up? how sick is he? will be be busto soon?

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1. slightly up
2. whenever a huge fish is there probably
3. very, very sick
4. no

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who cares, how did ansky do in the 5-1 game? when did he move up? how sick is he? will be be busto soon?

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1. slightly up
2. whenever a huge fish is there probably
3. very, very sick
4. no

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yawn, then the whole post is pointless

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i sat to the right of thev0id for the majority of my tourney and i can almost guarantee that was mark playing and theres no way in hell it was his sister.

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Both hands?

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you son of a....!

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

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from 50/100nl chat they just had:


play2kill: because ofc its likely that i played but theres no
evidence, and she played from usa
play2kill: i mean, how could it be me!?
play2kill: so sick, cant believe they took her money
Ansky451: well
Ansky451: yeah its sick
Ansky451: but u obv understand the suspision
Ansky451: i have no idea what evidence they found so i cant
comment on that
play2kill: yepp ofc, but nothing points at that it was me except
that i am her brother
Ansky451: i see
play2kill: ruthless handling by pokerstars
Ansky451: so are you banned from stars now?
play2kill: yeah [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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This is 100% BULLSH!T.

Mark Teltschers intial story was that Michael Thuritz was playing thv0id and he made the account in his sister's name in order to keep control of the money.

Michael Thuritz is Tipex on stars. Tell me why one of the best online players is skipping this tournament? It isn't because he is broke or has something else to do.

The reason Stars disqualified Teltscher was because the owner of the account did not play. Not because he multi-accounted. He was under STRONG suspicion of entering and playing other accounts, but that was not the reason for The V0id being disqualified.

The most likely scenario is Michael Thuritz was staked by Teltscher and did nothing wrong. He is the big loser in this. In fact if what Mark Teltscher claimed originally is true he owes Michael thuritz $600k.

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

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1st tournament she ever enters in PokerStars is $2600. She manages to beat a field of top-notch pros although she's a novice poker player. I'd snapcall his bluff.

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From what I understand, this guy Chris Moneymaker played his first live $10,000 WSOP event and managed to beat a field of top-notch pros although he's a novice player

Re: play2kill bluffing or telling the truth to ansky?
 

Then Thuritz would be making a big issue of this with Stars and in the blogs.

Teltscher would also be making a big issue of this if he didn't multiaccount and wouldn't have responded as he did in the chat.

There are probably a lot more people who have multiaccounted than been caught. Stars doesn't want to disqualify the winner of their biggest tournament. I don't think Stars would take this action if they weren't sure.

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But yeah, if they entered from 2 different IP's (Teltcher playing from UK, her sister playing from States) then PokerStars is lacking pretty much some huge evidence. They need logs from ISP in order to prove Teltcher was rerouting.

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this is untrue.

the software has the ability to access the tcp stack and see where all traffic is coming/going. it can also do memory dumps of running processes and take 'snapshots' of the desktop.

one reason why stars isnt going public with the diagnostics is the same reason ftp doesnt go public with their bot-hunter shiz; they dont want to educate the black hats and up the ante with regards to detection/mitigation.